To: gao seng who wrote (26267 ) 9/8/2001 2:17:42 PM From: 2MAR$ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 We tend so often to belabor the extremes (creationism versus evolution, to borrow one of Raymo's examples) that we miss the more intriguing, even if more difficult, possibilities (such as evolution and theism). Where is the definitive argument against these possibilities? There are some within the monotheistic traditions (surely a minority, but a growing number) who take evolution quite seriously and find that it enlightens, rather than undermines, their religious belief. It is one of the most difficult areas of comprehension for human beings to understand that they are yet still biological machines . What we call "nature" that is the vast underpinning of organic processes that comprises almost 99% of all our realities, leaves 1% for any slight mystical cogitative illumination or what can be described as a state of higher self-actualization/realization. That we are truely only in the first early stages what is called "self-awareness" is key to understanding the dilemna of man , understanding the nature of man ...let alone God. In the end , one sees an immanent , transendent being as animating the universe from the very deepest depths of the atomic and subatomic level on up and outwords . The idea of "free will " is an illusion ... for man caught up in the lower instinctive realm of anmial/biological reactionary states ... One of the "great truths" about being human , is that each one of us was "Creation " and contains the entire universe within him right now in the present . Subjected first and always to the inherent laws of God and human Dharma...and it's unfoldment . There are many ways to approach the Dharma and on many levels , but none of them easy for it entails an orderly progressing...often the metaphor of a "path" is used. To the extent men or women do not know this , lies their confusion and hell....to the extent we do know and realize and are aware of the interior world of phenomena , gives birth to all we regard as sacred, true and teaches us higher concepts to govern ourselves from what is learned from within . That is where the best of all possible harmonys with our actions & lives is ultimately found.Know the truth and the truth shall set you free... There lies your true eternity . The simple statement of our being made of "star-stuff" though , is actually truely the case . Or to be more accurately described we are made up of "atomic-stuff" and that is even more intriguing ...from a spiritual point of view , and now irrefutable . So , God is not only in the small things , he is in fact truely that , for everything we see or experience originates on the subatomic level and rises out of that . The most important advancement of man's spiritual understanding of his nature in relation to the universe is embodied in the idea of dharma ...self-realization is the goal...for the most part we collectively haven't even begun to awaken from the former dream , let alone the present one.