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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (143192)9/10/2001 12:45:04 AM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
It's the same reason why an 8-way Xeon system from HP (or Dell, or Compaq, or whomever) will cost less. Itanium will be higher volume than POWER4.

Well if Intel charges OEMs $1.5K for Itanium chips in volume, what do you think it costs IBM to produce Power4 chips. If it is less than $1.5K, then just where does this
cost advantage lie? In the chipsets? Intel marks them up as well. If IBM wants to compete on a cost basis... they can, especially if they know they will get sufficient income from softeware/middleware/ and services on those accounts. In such a scenario, Intel would need to sell Itanium at near cost to make Itanium systems more attractive from a cost basis. It comes down to what margin level is acceptable. It may come down to selling the hardware at near cost in order to keep the more profitable part of the business. I don't know what route IBM will take. But their options are open.

THE WATSONYOUTH



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (143192)9/10/2001 1:06:28 PM
From: Mary Cluney  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Tenchusatsu, <<<In comparison to the current batch of high-end RISC servers and mainframes, Itanium servers are commodities , even with Intel's exorbitant price per processor. Nothing about POWER4 will change that.>>>

There goes that "C word" again.

Intel marketing has spent a fortune making "Intel Inside" unique.

Is Itanium really a commodity?

The definition of a commodity is goods or services the customer finds indistinguishable from another. For many items like gasoline and laundry detergent are commodities - one brand is perceived to be as good or the same as another.

When customers buy Itanium from OEMs, they are buying not just a processor but the IA64 platform and architecture.

To allow or encouraging the Joe Osha's, Dan Niles, and other shallow beings of the world to refer to the Itanium architecture as a commodity and letting them compare apples to oranges in some off hand self serving sound bite is a real shame.

Mary



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (143192)10/26/2001 6:01:20 PM
From: Saturn V  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Tench,
Have you noticed that the WATSONYOUTH has not posted since Sept 10. In the days prior to that he was posting a lot. Like Paul he went silent after Sept 10, but Paul has been back for a while.

I hope that the WATSONYOUTH is OK.