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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: KLP who wrote (15933)	9/10/2001 2:08:26 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 59480

I believe Barry was correct in reference to the generation in power in 1964. It is FALSE in reference to the generation in power today. "We Americans understand freedom; we have earned it, we have lived for it, and we have died for it. This nation and its people are freedom's models in a searching world. We can be freedom's missionaries in a doubting world." -- Barry Goldwater, Speech to the Republican National Convention; June 16, 1964

To: KLP who wrote (15933)	9/10/2001 4:09:29 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 59480

Repeat

To: KLP who wrote (15933)	9/10/2001 4:11:00 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

It's ok man, I got back stage tickets. Really, man. The band said to pick 'em up at the gate. The band's gonna be pissed if you don't let me in man. Ahhhh 'cmon man. Bummer. During the waning days of his administration, Bill Clinton filled five seats on the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts' board of trustees. Clinton handed out these plums to Smith Bagley, a top Democratic fund-raiser; Mark Weiner, president of the Democratic Governors Association, and other party loyalists who might enjoy some of the best seats in the house. Just one problem: As the New York Times notes (link requires registration), no one can find the supporting paperwork. Clinton staffers are searching the millions of White House documents in storage in Little Rock, but so far no luck. "So the position of the Bush White House is: no papers, no appointments." nytimes.com

To: KLP who wrote (15933)	9/10/2001 11:10:44 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

Hi KLP; Nice collection of quotes re military preparedness. But, they don't have much application to the current situation. It's all a matter of degree. There has to be a happy medium, what we're arguing about is where that medium is. I don't think you (or much of anybody) is in favor of converting the U.S. economy completely into a weapons manufacturing business. If we did that, we'd be very militarily safe for a short while, and then our economy would collapse, our technology would become obsolete, and we'd be far worse off than we were before. Does anyone really believe that Japan is going to attack us again like they did in 1941? Since 1941 boring, huggable, democracies have taken over the planet. This is not the Earth of 1941. In 1941 Japan was ruled by some combination of an emperor and a group of military fanatics. Now Japan is more interested in selling us cars. In 1941, Russia was ruled by Communists who promised to use force to take over the world. Now Russia's military is in complete tatters, and we're helping them dismantle their useless and unneeded weapons. In 1941, France was under the rule of Nazi Germany, which was getting ready to rid Europe of the under races. Now France is quite free, and Germany is mostly interested in beer. In 1941 most of the 3rd world was getting ready to throw off their European oppressors. Now they're free, mostly democratic, and want assistance in making their countries as most like the United States as they can. We won. The whole world loves us. They all want to be more like us. Russia has a stock market. Movies made in the United States are seen all over the world. American technology is everywhere assumed to be the best, (and it frequently is). In every country where the local currency is suspect, the dollar is revered. The (paper) dollar is recognized world wide as a store of value, especially in places where the local currency is not. Our worst enemies (fascists), are long dead, and our second worst enemies (communists) are either recently dead, or making distinct signs of conversion. Does anybody really think that Cuba is a threat to the United States? We have enough National Geographics magazines in our garages to destroy them. We wouldn't have to bring out the military. There is no similarity between the current situation and 1941. The world is filled with powerful democracies, who have repeatedly demonstrated their incredible strength and their strong tendency to stick together when the going gets tough. Sure there are still a few backward countries, most of whom are trying to convert themselves into capitalist democracies as quickly as they can, but compare that to 1941 when world powerhouses Germany, Japan, Italy and Russia were ruled by regimes hostile to us. Now, our last great "threat", China wants to be more like Taiwan, not more like North Korea. Then, everyone wanted to be more like Nazi Germany. As a country, our primary threat now is getting behind economically, not militarily. We now spend 35% of the world's military expenses. What would you have us spend, 50%? We only have 5% of the world's population, how long do you think we can keep spending 35% of the military expenditures? -- Carl