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To: carranza2 who wrote (15071)	9/10/2001 7:45:01 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 34857

Must admit I enjoyed quacking some latin, counting on some reaction by the latin-quacks outside the latin nations. (global latin-belt??) As well as how latin Monti said goodbye and farewell to Welch. (something about writing a book??) Consensus is a difficult thing, some say it is the global goal of this century, and the most important understanding of the late 19th century. Holland did their thing, but missed some aspects, but as a result grass is a matter of consensus and respect for (some) individuals. From a finnish point of view, Kista and Sweden never really implemented the idea, although it almost worked without the consent until recently. One can even return to the 18th century of illumination, and ask what the media can do or undo. Not that both the romans and the greek, as well as early babylonians thought about the same things, egyptians inbetween, although translations can be tweaked in many ways. Ilmarinen "ruled by the consent of the ruled" should cover the basics, the CIA 10% threshold for unstability gives a good max proportion of the those who strongly oppose the rule. The real thing is that to achieve a 60-90% concensus, the 40-50% simple majority has to focus on how to explain and adjust their thing, not just bang the 49% minority in the head until they stop quacking. Not that I found lots of mechanism in the US system fascinating, interesting and especially very optimized. (and without the 1-10% quacking village idiote, no nation nor standard can survive)

To: carranza2 who wrote (15071)	9/11/2001 1:08:49 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 34857

The CCITT legacy lives on. The engineers talk shop continue despite tomes have changed. At least they don't write Blue Book, Orange Book, Red Book like before. But the market is the teacher, people will learn the lesson, Carranza.

To: carranza2 who wrote (15071)	9/13/2001 1:40:42 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 34857

British Telecom raises concerns on 3G technology By Dan Roberts and Lina Saigol in London Published: September 12 2001 19:52 \| Last Updated: September 12 2001 23:19 British Telecommunications is expected to make an unusually stark warning over the financial risks of third generation mobile phone technology when it demerges its mobile division later this year. A draft copy of the listing particulars for mmO2 the new name for the mobile division, reveals that BT cannot guarantee that the technology will improve existing services. The document, seen by the Financial Times, also warns that the existing second generation network of radio masts is unlikely to be sufficient for 3G technology, while the construction of new masts could be hampered by tougher planning restrictions. 3G services are intended to provide faster internet access from mobile phones and a range of multimedia services. On Wednesday BT said it could not comment on the confidential document, the final version of which is expected to be released in a few weeks. It is also normal for the "Investment Considerations" section of a prospectus or listing particulars to contain information on worst-case scenarios drafted by the company's lawyers. Nevertheless, BT's draft document is considerably more gloomy than the risk factors identified in February by Orange, the last big mobile phone company to float. This highlights the increasing uncertainty in the industry, particularly concerning how quickly and effectively operators will be able to launch 3G services. The BT document warns that UMTS - universal mobile telecommunications service - the 3G standard used across Europe, "may not prove superior to existing technologies". It points out that much essential development work remains to be completed. "The technology for the new UMTS services is not yet fully developed by the suppliers of the handsets and software," it says. This risk could be compounded by a shortage of available equipment. "We expect to roll out our UMTS network at the same time as many of our competitors," adds the draft. "This, combined with the limited number of suppliers of UMTS network equipment, may extend the delivery times of such equipment, which may mean we cannot provide sufficient network capacity." The 3G network is also expected to require many more radio masts in addition to existing 2G equipment using the GSM technology standard. "Placement of our existing GSM masts is unlikely to be optimal for UMTS services, which would necessitate the acquisition of additional sites," says the document. "The development of our UMTS networks may be hindered by more stringent planning controls over the siting of masts, particularly in rural areas." In contrast, Orange's February prospectus contained little more than a brief warning: "The group depends on a limited number of suppliers for its network equipment and services. The group's results of operations could be materially adversely affected if its suppliers fail to provide it with adequate equipment."