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To: Square_Dealings who wrote (76080)	9/11/2001 5:03:24 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Respond to of 116824

This goes way beyond Israel/Palestine though that obviously is a big factor. Ben Liden has long resented the fact that the US military has bases in Saudi Arabia. Plus the hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians who have died from the sanctions. So terrible as today's events were, they are but a pinprick compared to the toll taken by the US on people in the Middle East.

To: Square_Dealings who wrote (76080)	9/11/2001 6:48:07 PM
From: E. Charters	Respond to of 116824

True that we won't end war with war. but if no one will step forward and say we did it, then what good is it?. You cannot get anywhere with anonymous terror. It won't be a credible threat at any negotiating table. Cole is right. It would be wise to take a look at who doesn't like you and why an whether they could have a point. Vengeance is fine, but short of total surrender it is a waste of time. What is really going on? We the public will be the last to know. could it be that the latest round of Isreali attacks were to head off this thing? With a Pentagon spokemsan saying, "we were expecting this but we were obviously unprepared for it" it seems that the recent attacks in Israel had a flavour of pre-emptiveness to it. I would say Pakistan, Iraq, Palestine factions, Libya, Afghanistan and the US are jointly responsible. If all sources are not settled now to head off all future attacks then they will just continue throughout time. Whatever solution is arrived at when the smoke clears, it had better entail some security guarantees that the Palestinian leadership and the Isrealis sign off on. I have no patience with like-religion countries that enact terrorism on behalf of people they would enslave anyway. I do not accept Afghanistan supporting Palestinian claims for sovereignty over Jerusalem. On the other hand, it is an unresolved question, which the Isrealis are continually abrading with their unilateral settlement policies. Their continual Helsinki accord breaches are part and parcel of the troubles there today. I don't believe Arafat did this. He is not that stupid. But it is clear that he does not have control of the factions within his country. Not that he could be expected to, really. But if he cannot control the extremists who can? I doubt that it is merely a mutt and Jeff game. If the Palestinians are a loose cannon enterprise of this magnitude, then they must learn to control their factions with the discipline that will save their attempts at nationhood. This prospect is growing ever dimmer with this recent debacle. If some splinter group in concert with Bin Laden did this, then they have made the stupidest mistake they could ever make. What is appropriate for the US to do? First to find out who did it. Then to deal with the reason. Then to make sure he cannot do it again. How is the question. It may involve deep military intervention, accompanied by final political change. Bargaining with these people is not guaranteed to succeed. Taking their word for things is not on the table. Demands just lead to more demands as the option of surreptitious attack is always open. To close this by negotiation is not tenable. But if we expect people to keep their word, will the Israelis be kept to theirs? How do we do this? It is abit like getting Alabama to end segregation. It is not in the onstitutional process. We cannot take over Isreal. But if we had, and changed Iraq's political leadership, it may have stopped this latest mess. Finally the whole Muslim world's credibility is on the line. If it isn't one country harbouring, it is another. Basically the whole bunch hides their intentions behind veils of lies and covert action. We are not that much different. It is a lot like Europe after the treaty of Versailles (1919). Each nation, Germany foremost, promised peace and non agression as they prepared for war. Pakistan, who has the Bomb, supported Bin Laden in his attack to rule Afghanistan. That is clear. It was too co-ordinated for a bunch of amateurs not matter how rich to pull off. The co-ordination of artillery against rocketry was too military not to have been hidden Paksitani advisers en masse. Where are we going with this? Well it would appear war with the Middle East from Libya to Pakistan has to happen. It is in the cards. One by one they have each in turn supported war and insurrection against American interests in this area. Now it has come home. I won't say who is to blame entirely. Each side has it errors. But the inevitableness of human conflict looms once again. I think co-operating Middle Eastern countries have oft thought that the US would not take them all on at once. So their efforts to destabilize and retrench against the west has been loosely handed off amongst them, despite their own grave differences at times. As bad enemies as Iraq and Iran were they agreed on one thing. They were worse enemies of the US. When Iraq was attacked, Iran sheltered their airforce. If we war against one we war against them all. If we must war with them, it will take preparation and determination. It is winnable. Police actions are pointless. The only action that will lead to long term change is to change these governments to ones that are accountable to other than terrorist religious factions within. EC<:-}