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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (3479)	9/11/2001 10:22:43 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

I just saw an interesting response to someone on another message thread who suggested that cutting support to Israel would stop bin Laden: "From everything we know of Osama bin Laden, who has not yet been proven to be responsible for the horrifying attacks of today, although the evidence does seem to point in his direction, his hatred for the United States stems from his misguided belief that Western civilization, of which the United States is the exemplar, is a threat to Islam and to Muslim civilization. While I doubt he approves of American support for Israel, the problem is that he does not approve of America in general. Moreover, showing to him, and to others of his ilk, that terror attacks can push the U.S. to alter a longstanding policy and to abandon a major ally, will only give him, and potential imitators the incentive to do it again and again. If we abandon Israel, will bin Laden, who is good friends with Saddam Hussein, not try to force us to also abandon our allies in the Persian Gulf? The North Koreans might try to get us to abandon South Korea. Might Chinese Communists not try to pressure us in to abandoning Taiwan, perhaps even Japan? Abandoning one ally will make a lot of enemies and potential enemies around the world think the feat is reproducible. In the end, by trying to avoid terrorism, we would just invite more of it."

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (3479)	9/12/2001 4:18:23 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Re: I merely observe the most likely results of today for Israel. The attitudes of the US and Europe to terrorism will harden. Sharon will get a green light for any action he wants to take. Residual support for Arafat in the US and Europe will disappear. That's quite an intriguing observation of yours... Actually, you've just answered the FBI's $64,000 question: A qui profite le crime? as we'd put it in French, that is, WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE CRIME? Clearly, the Palestinians or any other Arab interest that might be involved in yesterday's horrible kamikaze attacks won't benefit from it ultimately. How did it impact the geopolitical balance? Up until yesterday, everybody was lamenting about the deteriorating Transatlantic relationship... the US was booed all across Europe as a despicable bully... Prez GW Bush himself was despised as a flat-footed Texas hick who didn't care a hoot about Europe. And, last but not least, Zionist hawks, despite all the hype about the US's condoning Israel's targeted killings, were privately worried about the US's stand-offishness towards the Middle East's escalating crisis. Now, don't get me wrong: so far, I favor TWO possible scenarios: #1 Reprisal by Syria/PFLP for the missile killing of its leader () #2 Mossad/Masood connection: that way, Israeli hawks (who believe that the very SURVIVAL of Israel is at stake) have carried out a masterstroke: bring the US back into a grand WESTERN alliance --including Russia-- against Muslim "barbarians"... The reaction of the US within the next 24 hours will tell us whether the Transatlantic lobby has succeeded in fixing the EU-US relationship. Gus. () Wednesday August 29, 1:09 AM Palestinian refugees call for avenging PFLP chief killing BEIRUT, Aug 28 (AFP) - More than 15,000 Palestinian refugees in Lebanon called Tuesday for revenge at symbolic funerals for Abu Ali Mustafa, the head of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), killed a day earlier. At the Shatila refugee camp south of Beirut, about 5,000 refugees marched behind a coffin wrapped in a Palestinian flag from the PFLP office, shouting slogans against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. [snip] sg.news.yahoo.com