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To: Aggie who wrote (7709)9/11/2001 11:03:46 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 23153
 
U.S. Has Strong Evidence of Bin Laden Link to Attack

By Dan Eggen and Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 11, 2001; 9:53 PM

The U.S. government has strong evidence from multiple sources that the suicidal terrorists who carried out today's catastrophic attacks in New York and Washington are connected to Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden, who has previously been linked to an earlier bombing of the World Trade Center, senior officials said today.

One senior official said the probability that bin Laden is behind the deadly assaults is in "the high 90s," while another U.S. official said investigators gathered evidence "strongly suggesting" that bin Laden's organization, al Qaeda, was involved.

The evidence pointing to bin Laden was gathered following the attacks in a joint effort by the CIA and the FBI, with information from both domestic and overseas sources, a senior official said.

"It is more than just the analytical surmise that it would take an organization with incredible command and control capability, which bin Laden's has, to stage an attack like this," one U.S. official said. "There is other information that has been obtained after the attack against the World Trade Center pointing in the direction of bin Laden."

Unprecedented in scope and sophistication, the coordinated assault on the world's financial and political capitals caught the United States completely off guard – despite a massive intelligence and law-enforcement network devoted to detecting and thwarting such attacks. Focused largely on guarding against bombing threats to overseas targets, U.S. authorities concede they were ill-prepared for hijacked jetliners purposely crashed on American soil.

Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he was told in a briefing that electronic intercepts today showed "representatives affiliated with Osama bin Laden over the airwaves reporting that they had hit two targets." A senior intelligence official, who said bin Laden is a prime suspect, would not confirm Hatch's report of intercepts.

A U.S. official said efforts are being made to carefully scrutinize the passenger manifests on four airliners hijacked today in Boston, Newark, N.J., and Washington's Dulles International Airport. The official said that analysts had concluded that after an initial review, "there may be information linking some of the names on the manifests to bin Laden's organization."

Several U.S. officials said there was no warning in the days before the attacks that a major operation was in the works. "In terms of specific warning that something of this nature was to occur, no," one official said.

But journalists with access to bin Laden said he and his followers openly boasted in recent months that they were preparing for attacks against the United States in retaliation for American support of Israel. Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the the al Quds al Arabi newspaper in London, said he was convinced that Islamic fundamentalists aligned with bin Laden were "almost certainly" behind the attacks.

"Personally, we received information that he planned very, very big attacks against American interests," Atwan said, referring to conversations about three weeks ago. "We received several warnings like this. We did not take it so seriously, preferring to see what would happen before reporting it."

Bin Laden, 44, an extremist Islamic militant from a wealthy Saudi Arabian family, has been defying U.S. efforts to capture or kill him for years. Since 1996, he has been living under protection of the fundamentalist Taliban regime in Afghanistan in a remote mountain redoubt. He has previously been linked to terrorists who attempted to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993. He has also been indicted for the deadly 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya and was linked to last October's attack on the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen, which killed 17 American servicemen.

A videotape has been circulating in the Middle East for several months in which bin Laden recites a victory poem about the Cole bombing, and then issues a call to arms: "To all the Mujah: Your brothers in Palestine are waiting for you; it's time to penetrate America and Israel and hit them where it hurts the most."

The assaults reignited a long-running debate over how far the United States should go in its pursuit of terrorists, who are often protected by sympathetic governments in countries such as Afghanistan.

President Bush, addressing the nation last night, said the United States will make "no distinction" between terrorists and countries who harbor them in its hunt for those responsible in the attacks.

In Kabul, the Taliban's foreign minister swiftly condemned today's attacks and rejected suggestions that bin Laden could be behind them.

"We have tried our best in the past and we are willing in the future to assure the United States in any kind of way we can that Osama is not involved in these kinds of activities," Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil told reporters.

Some U.S. officials and terrorism experts noted that other suspects were possible, most notably Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed guerrilla force based in southern Lebanon that is suspected of involvement in the 1983 bombings against the U.S. embassy and the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon. Bremer noted that Hezbollah hijacked a TWA airliner in 1986 with the intention of crashing it into buildings in Tel Aviv.

The leaders of several other potential suspects denied involvement with the assaults. The spiritual leader of the Islamic Resistance Movement, or Hamas, denied any connection with the attacks saying "our battle is on the Palestinian land." Two other radical Palestinian groups, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, said they had nothing to do with the tragedies.

Instead, U.S. officials said, most signs quickly pointed to bin Laden. In addition to being a suspect in the Cole bombing, bin Laden was indicted in New York in December 2000 in connection with the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania on Aug. 7, 1998, in which 224 people were killed and more than 4,000 injured.

Today's attacks came one day before a bin Laden associate was scheduled to be sentenced in New York for his role in the Tanzanian bombing. The federal courthouse is in lower Manhattan, near the World Trade Center.

The embassy bombings, like today's attacks in New York and Washington, were well-coordinated, occurring minutes apart. Bin Laden is on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List, and the U.S. government has offered a $5 million reward for information leading to his capture and conviction.

Most terrorism experts said that only bin Laden and al Qaeda have the resources and organization to pull off coordinated attacks like those mounted against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"He's declared war on the United States," said L. Paul Bremer III, chairman of the National Commission on Terrorism and former ambassador at large for counterterrorism in Reagan administration. "He is suspected of being involved in a number of attacks on the U.S., going all the way back to Mogadishu [in 1993]. . . . At a certain point, somebody's public statements deserve to be taken at face value. Bin Laden means what he says – he's declared war with the United States."

Ruth Wedgwood, a Yale University law professor and terrorism expert, said today's attacks are "not just an act of war, these are war crimes. No one has declared martial law, but it is a state of emergency. . . . We cannot stop until we stop this man. He knows no limits."

In June, U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf region were put on the highest anti-terrorist alert, "Threatcon Delta," after Western intelligence agencies received what they called "credible" information of a possible attack by bin Laden operatives.

That threat coincided with an interview top bin Laden aides gave to a London-based, satellite television station, the Middle East Broadcasting Center.

Bakri Attrani, the reporter for the story, said in an interview with The Washington Post in July that he had met with bin Laden outside Kandahar, a rugged frontier town in southern Afghanistan that is the headquarters of the spiritual leaders of the Taliban, Afghanistan's ruling Islamic militia. Attrani recounted that bin Laden's aides "said there would be attacks against American and Israeli facilities within the next several weeks."

No attack occurred in that time frame, but the threat of one forced a Marine Corps contingent in Jordan to cut short its training session and return to its ships, while the U.S. 5th Fleet steamed out of port in Bahrain.

In February 1998, bin Laden issued a fatwa, or religious order, calling for attacks on Americans. A translated text of the document, issued by a newly formed coalition called the International Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, identified bin Laden as a sheikh.

U.S. officials believe this order culminated in the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. They are also now trying to determine whether bin Laden has a definitive relationship to those responsible for bombing the Cole.

In the recent video, bin Laden comes close to admitting a role in the Cole bombing, without ever actually mentioning it. He recites a poem that includes the line "And in Aden, they charged and destroyed a destroyer that fearsome people fear, one that evokes horror when it docks and when it sails," according to numerous news reports of the tape.

The poem recital is followed by images of the bombed ship. Rebels filmed at a training camp at one point in the video chant, "We thank Allah for granting us victory the day we destroyed the Cole in the sea."

According to the U.S. State Department's April 2001 report on global terrorism, bin Laden uses a $300 million family inheritance to finance his terrorist organization, al Qaeda, which has "several hundred to several thousand members" and "a worldwide reach." Some analysts claim his group has access to about $3 billion in funding, although others have said such estimates are overstated.

According to the report, bin Laden founded the group in the late 1980s to bring together Arabs who had fought against the Soviet Afghanistan and now works to "overthrow regimes it deems non-Islamic" and expel Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries." In February 1998, the group issued a statement "saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens civilian or military and their allies everywhere," the State Department report said.

Correspondents John Ward Anderson in Istanbul and T.R. Reid in London and staff writers Nora Boustany, Walter Pincus, George Lardner, Jr. and Bob Woodward in Washington contributed to this report.

© 2001 The Washington Post Company



To: Aggie who wrote (7709)9/11/2001 11:04:22 PM
From: Think4Yourself  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23153
 
They have pictures of what is left of the towers now. There ain't much there. With the spotlights at night it looks a lot like a bombed out city from WW2.



To: Aggie who wrote (7709)9/12/2001 12:12:48 AM
From: kodiak_bull  Respond to of 23153
 
Nice to hear from you, Aggie, on this dark day. I was overseas during certain events (in Spain when Saigon fell, in Korea in both the Panmunjom Incident and the Burma bombing, in Japan during the Gulf War and in Hong Kong during the Oklahoma City bombing) and remember vividly how it felt. It felt sick then, and feels sick now, but it felt worse to be away from home.

I don't know if we will have the proper resolve to respond to this thing correctly, to be honest. In the Panmunjom Incident (where North Koreans killed U.S. forces by axes) our response under Gerry Ford was to launch an assault and cut down the tree in controversy. We cut down the f*&^*ing tree and declared a glorious victory. Sheesh, I'm not sure the North Korean army was afraid, but the North Korean gardening association was crapping in their collective pants. In the Gulf War we exercised mercy on the retreating Republican Guard and today, a decade later, we're still living with Sadam. The terrorist attacks in Beirut, Saudi Arabia, East Africa and on the USS Cole were met with, well, relatively little. I can't even recall what we did. China knocks down a plane in international waters and we end up apologizing and then saying, sheeeet, we didn't really mean it.

We seem to exorcise these "incidents" with round-the-clock coverage and a lot of verbiage. After a few days it passes and we hear once again analysis from the Washington Post and the NYT about how the Europeans don't like us when we're angry . . . They were sooooo fond of Bill Clinton, you know.

Someone (Warner?) got up and said this was a dark hour for America and then went on to say it could well be our finest hour. Excuse me, I know the rhetorical point he was hoping to make, but frankly trying to turn this event into some sort of a moral victory (more like a rhetorical victory, we get the linguistic and moral high ground, along with the casualties) before the buildings had even stopped falling was just plain loopy.

I've been in fights before, when I was a kid, and I remember how it felt to get punched square in the nose and start bleeding. Once a kid did that and the next thing I knew (I was all of 12) I was on top of him raising welts the size and shape of large garden slugs all over his face. My friends had to pull me off. The kid didn't come to school for 3 days. If my friends hadn't pulled me off he might have spent the week in the hospital, I don't know. I never looked for a fight, and I felt like crap when one was coming, but I never backed down either and probably avoided quite a few fights that way (Philly suburbs, close enough to the city to be a rough place).

That's where we are in this street fight, and our past record in street fights is we prefer to crawl off and declare victory to all the kids (England, France, Japan) who still come over to our house because it's the biggest one and nicest one in town and we always serve soda pop, ice cold. But that kid is still out there on the corner, waiting.

The question is, what are we going to do now?



To: Aggie who wrote (7709)9/12/2001 12:20:11 AM
From: CpsOmis  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 23153
 
Aggie, you said:

<<Today is a defining moment in American history, and by your response you too will be defined. Do not squander what God has granted you, and remember that many good people today went to their deaths with a madman punctuating their final thoughts.

I am humbled and proud to be associated with a large number of you on this thread. Together, we have struggled together to make sense of the many complex forces which effect the markets.

That said, and in light of the other comments today, I offer what I hope is not an unpopular view, but I recognize can very easily be misconstrued. And while I speak to no one directly, please weigh my words in your own conscience.

At the beginning of the year, I was privileged to spend 3 months traveling around the world. All of us differ, but for me, to see and experience a thing cements the related truths in a much more concrete way than to intellectually understand a thing. We all 'know' that we are a wealthy, privileged society. As I went from port to port, country after country on our cruise, I truly recognized the contrast between our luxurious lives compared to the poverty and suffering of the other 80% of the world.

I believe the immense power and privilege we Americans enjoy is an inheritance born on the shoulders of prior generations, created by virtue and hard work. However, many of my generation having never experienced true want, take our wealth and privilege for granted. Many of us have an unspoken attitude that we are 'better' than the rest of the world, and thus deserve our place in the world. Much of our culture is 'fiddling', consuming our lives in the pursuit of wealth and pleasure while the rest of the world burns. Time and time again as I 'interviewed' people around the world did I hear a phrase something like 'you Americans think you are the center of the world'.

Additionally, increasingly, our popular culture has become increasingly immoral to most religions of the world. The exportation of this to the rest of the world furthers the gulf. When you are poor and suffering, how would you feel to see others that 'don't deserve it' living lives of wealth beyond your dreams?

Add to that our use of military might. Blow up a factory here, missile attack there, oust a government there. Run our aircraft by the Chinese border against their wishes because we can and we think its right. For those of you who have been to an air show and seen our fighter jets fly overhead it is an incredibly intimidating experience. Walking for a moment in the shoes of those we are intimidating, can you see why we might be seen as arrogant, immoral 'great satan' of a people? I submit to you the casual attitudes read on this thread when we shoot a missile at Iraq, but now that we have been attacked we are outraged? (yes, I realize there are 'moral' arguments...I'm talking emotions of the masses here)

Fear, Greed and Envy, ugly as they are, are primal motivators in the human spirit. (review some past posts for some proof). In the minds of a lot of the world, we are the oppressors; greedy, arrogant and immoral. We view ourselves as principled and moral. I believe, in reality, we are both. (For example, we would not accept invading and taking over a country unless attacked, but we will look the other way when we pay .02/hr to child labor to make our tennis shoes...mos of us)

If we respond and 'get those bastards', we will be perpetuating a cycle that has gone on for the ages. We will be the 'evil empire' death star, and the middle east will continue to tell us what we want to hear while secretly rooting for their hero, 'luke skywalker'. A knee-jerk reaction of hate and retaliation will only perpetuate the hate. That is the story of the middle east.

History has shown that power and wealth breeds corrupt hedonistic societies that ultimately weaken and are overthrown by those they oppress. The only way to stop a revolution of the poor masses (the rest of the world) against the current oppressive power (unfortunately, thats us) is to change the focus of their energy. Help them improve their lives rather than fight for revenge. This happened in the 30's in this country. My understanding was there was a very real fear of a communist uprising here, and the make work programs kept the poor happy, fed and busy with dignity.

Don't get me wrong, appeasement has never worked. Evil must be contained by force, and we do need to use a certain amount of force to stop these bastards. However, for us to ignore the fact that their may be a basis for growing and continued hatred of our country is to miss the opportunity for more productive long term solutions.

Cosmo