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To: Ilaine who wrote (8740)	9/12/2001 6:07:21 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I can talk only for myself: when Tito died in Yugoslavia, every house in the country had the flag halfmast without anybody asking or even thinking of ordering. We all had our critical, diverging opinions about the Marshal Tito, but we all felt the hand of destiny go for our hearts. I may feel stupid now, thinking of the whole family later stood attention watching the hearse move slowing through streets of Ljubljana, filled with umoving, frozen stiff crowds of watchers. Feeling stupid years later is beyond the point though - life must go on and goes on. Its different, but I just try to share, CB. dj

To: Ilaine who wrote (8740)	9/12/2001 6:54:03 AM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

The question that we need to answer is whether this was an isolated incident, or whether it's the first wave of further attacks. I would guess that there won't be further hijackings. These guys were trained to fly airliners they don't have an unlimited supply of those guys willing to suicide. All the hits of the same day also suggests they know security will be upped and it will be ahrd to carry off again. But there could be some other attack. Maybe people in the "blue part" feel ambivalent, but those of us from the "red part" feel no ambivalence whatsoever. I predict that the turnaround will be strong. I've lived through a few little wars, and seen what happens. Not sure what you mean. Is there any other country in the world that is as proud of their flag? So many of you are from other countries. I am curious. In Australia, are you proud to be Australian? Well, I'm a global person, I don't have strong feelings about any country. First 18 years I grew up in England with immigrant parents (now they live in Israel) and always felt somewhat an outsider. Then out of the last 18 I've lived 5 in each of the US, Israel, and Australia and 3 in UK. One reason I left Israel was I didn't feel anything strong enough about the country to go serve in the army for 2 1/2 years. When some Palestinians flew over the border in microlights and attacked an army base I admired their courage (not when there were bomb atatcks against civilians). Everyone else was shocked. My mother is an Australian who converted to Judaism, my father escaped from Nazi Germany in 1937 (and Belgium in 1939). Then the British put him in an internment camp... I prefer Australia and the US as societies to live in but don't really feel patriotic about them. The US is a bit more charismatic than Australia... Today I was at the "Chief Minister's Multicultural Reception" at the National Museum here. Met a Pakistani woman born in Saudi Arabia who immigrated here from Cheam, Surrey (my old suburb) a few years ago... small world. Went with my Bangladeshi friend - he is president of the Bangaladesh Association here. Well we discussed the disasterand its implications a lot. He writes ministerial briefs on the daily ecvonomic situation in the Federal Industry Department... My friend who got stuck in China was granted a renewal of her US visa on Monday in Shanghai. Now she is stuck in Beijing with no flight back to the US. In the supermarket I had an argument with a woman about Afghani refugees - she was saying how justified it was now to send them to Nauru rather than letting them into Australia. Very unusual for people to discuss World events with strangers here in Australia. Just some of today's events.... Sharon is talking on the radio right now... David