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To: Clappy who wrote (5629)9/12/2001 12:12:27 PM
From: Dalin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 104181
 
Clappy,

I just got done reading both your's, and your sidekick's last post. I was reading them aloud to my wife. It was difficult to finish reading them, my voice was shaking. My wife was in tears, and I barely held mine back.

Local radio stations are asking folks to turn on headlights today.........sign of support............

US flags are all out on the houses on my street. My wife went shopping yesterday, to look for a flag for the front of our house. Everyone is sold out.

Right now she is digging through the garage storage, looking for some old small ones we have somewhere.

I start to do some work and can't finish.....my concentration lost.

I am constantly drawn back to the TV and computer....flipping channels.....surfing the message boards....looking for some news....hopefully good......

I read 10 folks rescued from the WTC. Bless them, but that number is so small...........

One man, from a local community here, who was on the flight that crashed in Pa., called his wife and said they knew they were going to die, but 3 of them were going to try to take the plane back. He told his wife he loved her.....then was gone.

The first hero of this war, IMO.

911....a coincidence? Who knows? A married couple, close friends of ours, could not celebrate their anniversary yesterday. I remember them thinking no one could ever forget their anniversary.

No one ever will.

God bless all!!

Dale



To: Clappy who wrote (5629)9/13/2001 12:53:12 AM
From: elpolvo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 104181
 
juan-

you wrote in your PM:

I would like to read your feeling of this disaster.
I was not sure if you wanted to post it publicly or not.
Perhaps there may be some that don't get it, or understand
it or debate it. Maybe the time isn't right yet.

If you don't want it public then please at least PM it to me.
At least I can have something else to think about.
Another way of seeing this.
I don't need to be enlightened.
Just given another look besides the one I see on TV...


if i was smart, i'd just answer you privately.
you are correct that i don't want to debate.
if what i write helps or supports reader's feelings,
then GOOD. if what i write makes them angry, then
that's OKAY too, but it's not my intent.

i write because you ask... not to preach or to
sway opinion (i'd rather be sailing). i answer
publicly because i like to live openly - it attracts
kindred souls and it repels company i wouldn't
enjoy anyway - it saves me the work of pretension.
pretension is distasteful to me.

if you want to know where i stand politically,
this article comes close:

msnbc.com

...but i don't think that's what you're asking.
i think you're asking how i feel spiritually,
how i reconcile this in my view of spiritual
law, no? what follows is not for your "enlightenment"
it's just an attempt to answer your question.
i think it's going to help ME more than it helps you.
i like writing better than talking because it gives me
time to consult my brain and my heart before delivery.

FIRST, i belive in the perfection of the universe.
i've thought about how i would design a perfect universe
that is completely self propelled, self adjusting,
self correcting - that always leads itself toward
higher growth and improvement.

it would have to have an unlimited power source.
(billions and billions of stars)

it would have to have opposing, self correcting forces.
heat/cold, day/night, positive/negative, love/hate,
male/female, yin/yang, pain/comfort, live/evil (life/death)
in order to create dynamics. dynamics are the propulsion
of life. an unbalance in one force is balanced by it's
corresponding opposite force. an equal balance at all times
would lead to a static state in which NOTHING moves,
NOTHING happens.

throw into the mix... intelligence, consciousness,
free will, desire to live, desire to express, experience,
evolve and procreate along with the ability to feel pain and
pleasure, the capacity to recognize beauty and a thousand
more subtleties i do not yet know or understand about life
and you've got the perfect, self-steering universe.

in short, everything i could think of and MORE that would
make this universe absolutely perfect, self propelled
and self correcting is ALREADY in place.

since i don't have a better plan than what exists,
i completely support and accept ALL that transpires.
i don't fight gravity. what IS, is perfect. i worship
the intelligence that creates and activates this plan.
i identify with it as a part of it... a partner, a
co-creator.

SOOOOOOOO... for the simple fact that IT HAPPENED,
i see the NYC disaster as inevitable and perfect...
not desired, not wished for, not coming without great
pain and sorrow, but none-the-less, perfect. HOW CAN
THIS BE? why would something so painful happen?

if it were a meteor impact it might be merely because shit
happens. but since it was intentional and done by
people, there's more to it. it was done intentionally
to CAUSE PAIN. someone was DEEPLY DRIVEN to do this.

look for a moment at who might have done this horribly
painful act... at WHY they might have done it... at WHY
they would commit suicide and murder. they must have been
feeling GREAT pain and frustration. they must have seen
america as a cause of their pain, or maybe they saw
americans as the only people powerful enough to make
a world-wide change that would stop their pain. maybe
they wanted to give america their pain so we would make
that change. many scenarios can be imagined, i don't KNOW
the WHO or the WHY at this time... but i do know
things are going to change - there's just TOO MUCH pain for
things to stay the same. the best solution is going to
be something that removes the causes of the perpetrator's
original pain as well as removing our own. otherwise,
this will happen over and over and it will hurt and
hurt more until it finally hurts enough for US to remove
the cause of EVERYONE'S pain.

pogo said, "we have met the enemy, and he is US."
i also believe, "we have met our ally, and he is US."
US means ALL of us. look at the earth from space -
ONE living organism - that is "US".

the holocaust and its corrective aftermath was a
collective evolutionary step toward becoming "US".
the attack on pearl harbor and its corrective aftermath
was a collective evolutionary step toward becoming "US".
i am guessing that when we look back on this event
50 years from now we'll realize that yesterday's horror
and whatever occurs in its aftermath was also part of
a collective evolutionary step toward becoming "US".

after the oklahoma city bombing, many were suspecting
arabs or muslims and they began to taunt and show hatred
toward arab americans. soon they learned that the bombing
was done by one of US (a white american) and they dropped
their attacks.

today i see the same thing beginning to happen. it hurts to see it.
i dream of the day that patriotism, nationalism, grows into
a global brotherhood - the worldwide human family. then, when
someone commits an act of desperation, we'll have the reaction
i had when i saw my son on TV three weeks ago, caught after a
robbery, suffering his pain in the back seat of a police car.
i did not see an EVIL MAN, i saw a hurt boy in desperate emotional
pain. i certainly want to keep him away from hurting others but
i also want to help heal the CAUSE OF HIS PAIN.

let me assure you that i don't feel more empathy for criminals
than i feel for victims. i feel for ALL of us.
we are ALL family... a family called "US".

the writing you've done on the nnbm in the last two
days is fabulous. it's moving, it's personal, it's honest.
it's NOT preachy, it's NOT assuming, it's NOT biased.
it lets us share your thoughts and feelings as a human
in a powerfully confusing situation and at the same time
it respects us as readers and lets us think our own
thoughts about what is going on. it's almost like a
photograph or a painting - your writing is ART dude.
it is so much more powerful, and cathartic than NEWS
or OPINION.

thank you.

if there is ANYTHING i can do for you, drea or
ANYONE, just ask.

your brother,

cement dust