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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (26670)	9/12/2001 12:10:27 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

Good questions. Will our experience yesterday have any impact on our attitude toward Israel's policy of targeting and killing known terrorist leaders whom they can't get arrested or extradited by the Palestinians? Many Americans, including our administration, have been concerned about this policy. I wonder whether we will look at it a bit more kindly now. Or not.

To: Lane3 who wrote (26670)	9/12/2001 12:17:19 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

No way. I think we can declare open war on and against terrorist groups. The borders are the difficult part. Most people think we can declare a Nation as the enemy or at least as the "Harbor" of the enemy. This time and our situation requires much more of us than in the past. There is no evil empire bounded by a particular border. I propose we declare war on terrorism, terrorist groups and their harborer(s). We should demand cooperation from countries where terrorist cells exist and go after them by land, by sea, and by air as the need be...at our earliest opportunity and without delay. My point was simply that if the target isn't clearly identified and we end up bombing indescriminate National targets...we end up furthering the resolve of these groups to develop terrorism as a weapon of choice.

To: Lane3 who wrote (26670)	9/12/2001 8:04:26 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You've defined the enemy. You say it's not piracy. It can't be war if the perpetrators aren't countries, one wouldn't think. So if it's a crime, then are we restricted to going after only those who we can prove guilty and then putting them in jail? And leaving the rest of the terrorist network in place? If an organization commits large scale atrocities against the US I have no problem with taking the war to it even if it isn't a country that is committing the atrocities. It's an organization with an army not just a small band of criminals. It considers itself at war. If it wants a fight it just called out the biggest kid on the block. We shall see whether it can run and hide or not. An attack on this scale is IMO an act of war. If it was Bin Ladin that did it then it is not his first such act. The attack on the Cole and the previous attack on the world trade center apparently both came from his organization. Even if looked purely as a criminal case you could make the argument that the whole organization is a criminal conspiracy. Tim