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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Walkingshadow who wrote (179893)	9/12/2001 1:51:20 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Take a pill ws. His message was good. Who cares if they try to make it look polished. Our country is attacked and you complain that our president is not as charismatic as you would like. Wait to see what he does instead of rambling about how bad it is that our preisdents prepare for nationally televised addresses. I suppose you would prefer "it depends on what you mean by IS"

To: Walkingshadow who wrote (179893)	9/12/2001 1:53:45 PM
From: CYBERKEN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Regarding the guys with the guts (and we will grant, momentarily, that they used their own emotions, if not their own words), they were made fools of by another guy who got THE SAME EFFECT by saying "I did not have sex with that women." and "I can't do America's business while I'm being harassed by the Special Counsel." So you won't see them no more. Good luck in your war against ghosts in the Middle East...

To: Walkingshadow who wrote (179893)	9/12/2001 2:44:54 PM
From: Angler	Respond to of 769667

Screaming! That's all very well when a war with a major identifiable enemy is in prospect or ongoing mano a mano, but when we are in the midst of clearing up a terrible mess and looking for clues as well, it pays for a leader not to cry or scream (as you want to) or even look like he wants to. Jimmy Carter did that. There's no artillery shells whistling overhead. There's no bombs bursting. Nor are there boarders crawling over the gunnels. Like always, the U.S. is going to take care of business. One of our most forceful presidents said, "Speak softly but carry a big stick." I'll wait and rely on a President who speaks in that fashion. That's his style. Deeds speak more than rhetoric or over emoting. Waiting for the big stick to fall and so are some worried perpetrators Angler

To: Walkingshadow who wrote (179893)	9/14/2001 11:30:15 AM
From: DOUG H	Respond to of 769667

WS, you asked; "I am so sick of carefully crafted speeches, every syllable and gesture worked out in meticulous detail by gaggles of hand-wringing political advisers, who's primary concern is, "How will this look? How will this sound? What will people think? How can we cast the president in the most favorable political light we can? He's gotta talk, but how can we make sure the president doesn't say anything?" As soon as I saw GWB in the Oval Office at the very beginning of his speech, hands folded, makeup on, hair in place, look into the camera with a practiced look of concern, and unfold his hands at the "Amuricun paple" in an obviously contrived gesture..... I could only wonder what machines told him to do that---and why he ever listened to them? Here's your answer. Neal said several Democratic colleagues agree with his assessment that Bush must show a more forceful, vigorous style as he seeks to rally the nation behind him for what many expect will be a long, intense fight against terrorists. ``In politics you have to use imagery to send a message to people,'' said Neal. ``Leadership delineates the difference between a town manager and a president. A president should know how to use imagery, symbolism to lead.'' Neal recalled that former President Clinton had one of the most memorable days of his presidency shortly after the brutal Oklahoma City bombings. Clinton, obviously moved by the massive human suffering, delivered an emotional speech that sought to ease the pain as well as inspire. You obviously did not like his "style" which is saying style matters, yet you decry "stylistic considerations". Can't have it both ways my friend. Now I showed Neal's comments and to Martha and she was shocked. As you know she was in a state of shock as we watched events unfold that day and she says she was comforted by the Presidents words and actions. Did he fail and she just not know it? The Clinton Experience has taught politicians that Americans love lipbiting pablum, so we get it, if that's what you think it was. You know I don't question your patriotism, I do question the approriateness of criticism at this point in time, in particular from a member Congress carping about such childish gibberish as "style". Now is not the time. The 1st Amendment is nonsequitious, there is no governmental agency here trying to abridge the right of free speech. The standard here is "propriety". And by that measure, the flapjacking, richiepoohing, (investigating 270 degree turns) asenna1 critics sound like horses passing wind. "A man is what the thinks about all day". The Bush critics, by their focus, are showing what they think is important at this time. We know who's talking about hairstlye.