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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (121258)9/12/2001 3:42:40 PM
From: AllansAlias  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 436258
 
You are comparing this to Hiroshima and Nagasaki??!



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (121258)9/12/2001 3:45:33 PM
From: AllansAlias  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 436258
 
Over 35,000 people are killed every year in America with firearms. That problem is more deadly and more trivial than the terrorist problem. If you can't get a handle on that one, just think how difficult this one will be.



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (121258)9/12/2001 4:23:18 PM
From: TheStockFairy  Respond to of 436258
 
I talked to one of my Pakistani clients today, he said he is going to be taking the train for quite a while for business trips. he was pissed about the hassle this was going to cause him, he was a guy that pretty much minded his own business.

Also, Cantor was one of my clients in NY. We sent an email to one of our contacts there to test the waters and their London legal staff sent us an email back requesting we call them. We haven't as of yet.



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (121258)9/12/2001 4:41:56 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
patron,
I've posted this to the bugs, too. I think it's worth noting. We can easily lay the blame right at our own doorstep. Actually, it did come home to roost at the Pentagon. Yes, I think the WTC is tragic. But, to dump all blame on Bin Laden without looking hard at our own botched and foolish foreign policy is a mistake. If I walked up to you, put a hammer in your hand, then started screaming profanities at you three inches from your face, should I be surprised when you whack me? Maybe that's a crude analogy, but is is much cruder than our relationship with the Muslim states of the world?

"It is ironic that Bin Laden was once backed by the United States, a
warlord who disciplined and organised Muslim youth in Soviet-occupied
Afghanistan. Now he is Washington’s most wanted man."
thescotsman.co.uk

Furthermore, Bin Laden issued several warnings over the last three weeks. Why weren't we told? Perhaps Condit and his kinky friends on the "intelligence" committee up in washington were out copping some booty.~s~

Noriega, Saddam, Bin Laden. All products of good ol' Amercican CIA training. I liken it to people who raise pit bulls then are amazed when their own kid gets chomped by it. Who's the fool?

Remeber that psycho, Pat Buchannan?~s~
Is Cataclysmic Terrorism Ahead?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
January 12, 1999

America is the only nation on Earth to claim a right to
intervene militarily in every region of the world. But this foreign policy
is not America's tradition; it is an aberration. During our first 150 years,
we renounced interventionism and threatened war on any foreign power that
dared to intervene in our hemisphere. Can we, of all people, not understand
why foreigners bitterly resent our intrusions?...

On the day after Pearl Harbor, ex-President Herbert Hoover sat
down and wrote to friends: "You and I know that this continuous putting pins
in rattlesnakes finally got this country bitten."

Japan's sneak attack was one of the great acts of state terror,
but its motive was desperation. The United States had cut off Japan's oil
and sent Tokyo an ultimatum: Withdraw from Indochina and China, or we bring
you to your knees. Japan decided to seize the oil of the East Indies and
eliminate the one force that could stop her: the U.S. fleet.

Yet, after we crushed Japan, China fell to Mao and Indochina to
Ho Chi Minh and the Khmer Rouge. Had we never intervened in East Asia,
Japanese, not Americans, would likely have done the fighting and dying in
Korea and Vietnam to contain Asian communism.

What calls to mind the phrase "putting pins in rattlesnakes" is
an unsettling paper by the Cato Institute's Ivan Eland: "Does U.S.
Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism? The Historical Record."

Eland's argument: Americans are the principal targets of
terrorists because of our constant meddling in foreign wars. If we do not
abandon our compulsive interventionism, we will one day be subjected to an
act of cataclysmic terror, with a weapon of mass destruction, perhaps
nuclear.

Already, we have come close. The World Trade Center bomb was
designed to bring down one of those 110-story towers and kill perhaps 50,000
Americans. Had the terrorists used poison gas, they might have killed more
than the 3,000 who died at Pearl Harbor. And Osama Bin Laden, the rich,
U.S.-hating Saudi terrorist reportedly has long been in the market for a
nuclear weapon.

Eland's empirical evidence linking U.S. military interventions
to retaliatory acts of terrorism is impressive. Consider:

U.S. Marines were sent into Lebanon to bolster a Christian
regime in 1983. Result: Islamic terrorists bombed our embassy and Marine
barracks, killing hundreds, and Ronald Reagan withdrew the Marines.

Before 1981, Libya's Col. Qaddafi had not targeted Americans.
But Reagan sent U.S. ships and planes across his "line of death" in the Gulf
of Sidra, shot down his jets and sank his patrol boats. Result: Qaddafi
blew up La Belle nightclub in Berlin, wounding dozens of GIs. Reagan
answered with air strikes. Qaddafi retaliated with eight acts of terrorism,
by Eland's count, the most horrific being the downing of Pan Am 103.

In 1992, George Bush intervened in Somalia. Bin Laden trained
the terrorists who lured U.S. Rangers into a trap, killed 18 and dragged the
body of one through Mogadishu. Bill Clinton pulled out.

Bin Laden calls Somalia his greatest victory and is believed to
have planned the 1998 bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. What
motivates him? Hatred of America because of our huge military presence on
Islam's sacred soil of Saudi Arabia.

Robert Kennedy was murdered by a West Bank Palestinian. George
Bush was targeted for assassination by Iraqis. Filipino terrorists used to
attack Americans until we withdrew from Subic Bay and Clark Air Force Base.
Now, they don't.

The seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran and other acts of
state terror by the mullahs stem from U.S. military support of the shah
until 1979. Today, there is a near-identical U.S. presence in Egypt and
Saudi Arabia. Both regimes are despised by many of their own people, and
Americans have been targets of terrorist attacks in both.

America is the only nation on Earth to claim a right to
intervene militarily in every region of the world. But this foreign policy
is not America's tradition; it is an aberration. During our first 150 years,
we renounced interventionism and threatened war on any foreign power that
dared to intervene in our hemisphere. Can we, of all people, not understand
why foreigners bitterly resent our intrusions?

With the Cold War over, why invite terrorist attacks on our
citizens and country, ultimately with biological, chemical or nuclear
weapons? No nation threatens us. But with the proliferation of weapons of
mass destruction, America will inevitably be targeted. And the cataclysmic
terror weapon is more likely to come by Ryder truck or container ship than
by ICBM. And no SDI will stop it.

Madeleine Albright describes terrorism as "the biggest threat to
our country ... as we enter the 21st century." But battling terrorism must
go beyond discovering and disrupting it before it happens and deterring it
with retaliation. We need to remove the motivation for it by extricating the
United States from ethnic, religious and historical quarrels that are not
ours and which we cannot resolve with any finality.

[ buchanan.org ]



To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (121258)9/12/2001 11:04:52 PM
From: advinfo  Respond to of 436258
 
but a line has been crossed that demands we exact swift and sure vengence

Exactly, those who think this is a time for putting
roses in rifle barrels need to stop sniffing glue.
Our country was attacked and those responsible
need to pay dearly, period.