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To: robnhood who wrote (121335)	9/12/2001 5:39:50 PM
From: benwood	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

What you are implying is that victims bring it on themselves. I could not agree less with this sort of thinking. There are cases where one's actions will bring reprisals, but history is filled with billions of examples of unprovoked (in a direct sense) violence and criminal acts. There are a plethora of mental conditions which can and do inspire people to criminal behavior, which in their own minds, seems justified. I personally think the motivation of the terrorists is to stop the US from threatening their way of life. Their way, in my opinion, has to do with their religion, their totalitarianism (in families and sometimes in government), with men dominating women (legal murders for perceived sexual injustices, for example). Most of these radical fundamentalists are operating using a "guidebook" written thousands of years ago which is completely inflexible and accommodating of change. The world is different now, but they wish it weren't so and will sometimes do anything to keep from having to change. The real irony to me is that they exploit OUR freedoms in order to destroy our freedom and to preserve their non-free social system.

To: robnhood who wrote (121335)	9/12/2001 5:42:36 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

<<I find it beyond difficult to believe that it was spawned from jealousy or envy, or just plain insane desire to destroy>> I don't find it difficult, although I'll spot you a bit of the "perceived wrong" as part of the motive. Point is, the motivation doesn't make it right. "I don't like you, your neighbors screwed me, therefore I shoot you? Hmm, not in the Bible, nor in the Koran either, I believe..." And lets be specific...which injustice are we getting nailed for? Oh, that wasn't covered by the Stark, or the Lebanon bombings, the invasion/rape of Kuwait, the Olympic massacres in Munich all of the other Palestinian related hijackings or everything done to Israeli citizens over the years? And what was J6P-WTC office workers' role in the above. What was his connection to the perceived wrong? Moral relativism...its FAAAAN-Tastic!

To: robnhood who wrote (121335)	9/13/2001 12:22:20 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 436258

I find it much more credible to believe that it was spawned out of revenge for perceived wrongs of great magnitude. Key word here is "perceived". It is necessary to figure out if the perceived wrongs stem from specific actions and policies that might be changed, or from the nature of our civilization and its power in the world, which we wouldn't change if we could. IMO it's much more the latter and no amount of appeasement or policy changes will alleviate the grievances, in fact, it would have exactly the opposite effect. Remember we are the "Great Satan" to these people. You don't change your attitude to Satan just because changes a few policies.

To: robnhood who wrote (121335)	9/13/2001 9:22:17 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 436258

Why then, do you think this terrible act was commited? I find it beyond difficult to believe that it was spawned from jealousy or envy, or just plain insane desire to destroy. I find it much more credible to believe that it was spawned out of revenge for perceived wrongs of great magnitude. Furthermore,, IMHO,, unless there is something done to address this very deep problem it will escalate... Bin Ladin has been very clear about his problems with America. abcnews.go.com Fatwa Against Americans John Miller: Mr. Bin Ladin, you have issued a fatwa calling on all Muslims to kill Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all Americans, just American military, just Americans in Saudi Arabia? Osama Bin Ladin: As we mentioned before, Allah ordered us in this religion to purify Muslim land of all non-believers, and especially the Arabian Peninsula where the Ke’ba is. . . . We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa. . . . We are sure of our victory. Our battle with the Americans is larger than our battle with the Russians. The Americans made a very stupid mistake that no one has made before. They attached the Muslim symbol, the Kibla, of 200 million people. The reaction was very encouraging by the Muslim scholars and the youth. We predict a black day for America and the end of the United States as United States, and will be separate states, and will retreat from our land and collect the bodies of its sons back to America. Allah willing. From another source: Throughout bin Ladin’s public statements and declarations--beginning with his “Declaration of War,” published in August 1996, through his interviews with various Islamic journals, CNN and ABC News, and the two fatwas [religious rulings] published in February 1998 in Afghanistan--runs one fundamental and predominant strategic goal: the expulsion of the American presence, military and civilian, from Saudi Arabia and the whole Gulf region. According to the “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places”(its full title), “the latest and the greatest of [the] aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet . . .is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places - the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka'ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims - by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies.” The declaration is presented as the first step in the “work” of “correcting what had happened to the Islamic world in general, and the Land of the two Holy Places in particular. . . Today . . . the sons of the two Holy Places, have started their Jihad in the cause of Allah, to expel the occupying enemy out of the country of the two Holy places.” The above is from: ict.org.il The "land of the two Holy Places" is Saudi Arabia. His complaint against is simply that we have defiled and are continuing to defile Saudi Arabian soil by setting foot on it. So how would you propose to address "this very deep problem"? Personally, I think we should wage war against him and all work with him until they are destroyed.