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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: XenaLives who wrote (827)	9/12/2001 8:56:41 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Paula, excellent post on the two definitions. let's see: chau·vin·ism ( sh½“v…-n¹z”…m) n. 1. Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism. 2. Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind This is exactly what is beind displayed right now by some of the posters here and everywhere in our nation. This leads to stupid actions usually to PROVE our superiority, which they make make us feel good momentarily that we exacted "revenge", but I am afraid it may come back to bite us in the ass. After yesterday we got three big pieces of our ass chewed out, so now first priority treat our ass immediately to stop the bleeding, then we must quickly get back up and start to walk normally again and then take some actions that will FOREVER protect our ass from being chewed out again, because, as much as we don't like to admit this, it hurts...

To: XenaLives who wrote (827)	9/12/2001 9:01:32 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

It is the "rigid adherence" and the "prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own" that causes the problems. Rigid adherence is not a problem IMO unless the thing they are adhering to is itself bad, or if they force others to adhere to it. (Not just suggest or aruge or campaign but force). As for beliveing your ideas are more true or superior I have ideas that I think are better then some ideas that some other people have. Does that make me a chauvinist? If so then I submit it is not inherently a bad thing. I'm not saying that the actions of many fundimentalists are not bad, I just think there is a big difference bettween the peaceful fundamentalists and the hateful killers who happen to also be fundamentalist. Tim

To: XenaLives who wrote (827)	9/12/2001 9:05:41 PM
From: calgal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

The key word is "militant." I don't know ANY militant Christians, but this is a discussion for another time. Believing that "Faith in Christ" = Salvation is not Militant. Actually, if you understand the teaching of Christ. He is anything but militant.

To: XenaLives who wrote (827)	9/12/2001 9:30:56 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

It is not followers of Christ that set the Standard. It is the Messiah Himself. From the book of John: <<"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God ; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.">> Paul agrees in his letter to the Ephesians: <<But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.>> The writer of the Hebrew letter is in agreement: <<Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.>> John again : <<But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.>> Well...I could do this most of the night, but that is enough to let you know that you are wrong about saying it is "by our definition" If these verses are not clear to you......seek.

To: XenaLives who wrote (827)	9/12/2001 10:03:58 PM
From: SOROS	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

It is not a human fault that there was only one man in all of history who claimed to be God. Since there were so many eye-witnesses to the fact that this man did indeed come back to life after having been put to death, says to me that He was what he claimed. If so, then I suppose that His claim that He is the only way into heaven must also be accepted. People can believe whatever "bible" they want, but if someone studies prophecy, they will see that this book Christians call the Bible is indeed what it claims. If someone studies prophecy, they will see what is happening today was predicted long ago, and it will become ever more clear as time goes on if they will only be open and not hard-hearted. Everyone can believe what they will, but when this Man returns, ALL will bow before Him -- either in adoration or total fear. The same God who allowed the earth to be totally covered in water until all life was gone is the same God today. He is loving but also just. If America is not "militant" and "chauvinistic" in its immediate judgment of the countries which support terrorism, you will see your liberties and freedoms vanish even more quickly than I anticipated. It is coming anyway. America WILL bow to the Antichrist or be destroyed. Who is that? We don't know yet, but prophecy says the entire world will bow down to him. Keep watching, and please don't anyone close your minds to what you will see happening. Pride makes man rather be "right" than "correct." Right may make you feel better short-term, but correct will get you an eternity with your creator. Don't accept anything at face-value, but study prophecy and see if the 100% accuracy does not convince you of the Bible's words and hence, the only way to heaven. So many people who say, "My God is a loving God" will be totally caught off-guard when judgment falls. Don't follow, but don't dismiss either. Study and prove one way or another to yourself. I want to know what is true, not what is easy. I remain, SOROS Message 16341923