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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (7808)	9/13/2001 11:03:48 AM
From: Think4Yourself	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Agree Delta Force has been overtrained and underutilized. Let them loose for awhile to have some "fun", give them some latitude in their actions, and we'll see how the terrorists like it. I suspect they will go scampering back into the holes they crawled out of.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (7808)	9/13/2001 1:22:11 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Jim, I'm not underestimating the hippie generation (since I am from that era myself), I just think this pampered baby boom generation has accomplished precious little outside of bringing self-indulgence to an art form. In part that was a response to the times, in part just following the path of least resistance and quick cynicism. There is a big difference also between getting so angry as part of a mob (or so frightened) that mayhem readily ensues AND having the stomach to carry out, year after year, a battle with a shadow. Once again, we not only have to take out the guilty and their support structure, but we have to act preemptively against the future threats. After Pearl Harbor it would have been easiest to contact the Japanese and say, well, if we enter into this war we'll lose billions of dollars and 300,000 soldiers so why don't you just withdraw to, say, Saipan, and we'll go back in and rebuild Pearl? I've heard people say that we need to reevaluate how we act in the ME, work more with countries like Syria and Iran to ensure this won't happen again. Oh yes, and rebuild the WTC as a symbol. It strikes me they are not only missing the point but wrong. After Pearl Harbor we weren't thinking wouldn't it be nice to raise the Arizona and refloat it AS A SYMBOL, we were mobilizing for war. Colin Powell said we'll take them out root and branch, but he's also spending a lot of time talking about the U.N. Security Council, yada yada yada. If this war is prosecuted successfully, we won't hear much about it. If we have cruise missiles and press briefings galore, then it'll be time to really do a Y2K preparation, bullets and ammo and gas masks and dried food. Kb

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (7808)	9/13/2001 6:04:05 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Respond to of 23153

Jim Woolly CB RE: <<never underestimate the killer instincts of humans we are from the animal kingdom first we learned civilization practices later but we can unlearn them>> I think you have identified the real enemy and he is us. Let me give you an example that illustrates the thing we must fight. Once there was a close knit group of people who were assaulted on a regular basis by sneak attackers that effectively struck and killed them. They were unable to effectively fight back and lost friends to death and wounds. They knew the cowardly enemy was supported and protected by civilians and that many of the civilians shared the views of the enemy and rejoiced in the deaths and injuries that they and their companions shared. They made a choice, they attacked the civilians and systematically attempted to wipe them out; all of them, men, women and children. The place was Mai Lai, Republic of Viet Nam. The officer who got the blame was a Lt. William Calley. The scorched earth policy was undoubtedly condoned and encouraged at a much higher level. We were all repulsed by it. It made us sick and ashamed to be Americans. How quickly we change our views when it is us who feel threatened. Sometimes the high road involves more risk. It is unsatisfying in the short term. In the long term it is how civilization evolves. The strong must lead not follow. The pigs must not set the standards. We must be a people to follow up, not down. Ed