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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (92100)	9/13/2001 3:33:26 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

>>A line has been drawn between civilization and terrorism,<< nadine, this is the kind of rhetoric that, frankly, baffles me. it is very nation-centric. we don't represent civilization to folks who had civilian family members bombed in a pharmaceudical (sp???) factory. if your rock throwing 13 year old was killed by a gun supplied by the us or with us money, the us doesn't represent "civilization." dehumanizing the enemy is the first step to enabling the mind to accept terrorism. i will not accept terrorism on PRINCIPLE. killing people b/c they hate you is terrorism. killing people to protect yourself and hold people accountable for prior attacks is reasonable. we are guilty of a lot of crap. we have taken lots of innocent blood and we have sustained and harbored lots of EVIL in our time. funny, we don't care about the EVIL we support until it bites US. civilized? try self centered. the fct we were attacked in this EVIL way doesn't alter history and put a halo on our head. it does allow us to defend ourselves by attacking involved parties. innocent people s/b spared if at all possible - even if they hate us. otherwise, we BECOME them, whether we call ourselves "civilized" or not. imho, this is the BEST place to live - by far. however, we aren't perfect.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (92100)	9/13/2001 5:30:44 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 132070

Nadine, This answer is very well said. You have captured the gist of the problem in very few words. <<There's no space here to begin the long arguments about the rights of the Palestinians vs. Zionism, but just let me say that "they had their land stolen" is imo a vast, vast oversimplification of the development of the Jewish presence in Palestine and the Arab political response to it, particularly of the way the Palestinians have deliberately been kept in refugee camps to be used as pawns and weapons by their Arab "brethen". Remember in 1948/49, half a million Jews living in Arab countries had all their property confiscated and were made refugees, too. You just never hear about them because they were all resettled as fast as possible.>>