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To: michael97123 who wrote (52091)	9/14/2001 12:49:05 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Michael, you forget to mention that after that 1948 conflict,as many Jewish refugees from Arab countries as Palestinian refugees were "created". the difference is that the Israeli took the refugees in, and within 10 years solved their own refugee camps and eradicated them, while the Palestinians were refused any rights in their own host countries, and used by their hosts (and the Soviet Union) as pawns in a political and military struggles whose strategic goals (the elimination of the State of Israel, on the Arab league side, and the maintenance of a hot spot" near the west's energy resources on the Soviet's side) was never achievable. What happened Tuesday has nothing to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, just as the Iranian revolution had nothing to do with the Israeli conflict, nor the Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, nor the slaughters of thosand of Algerians by extreme factions there, or for that matter the 10 years war between Iran and Iraq. Zeev

To: michael97123 who wrote (52091)	9/14/2001 1:15:18 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

Michael, that post came out a lot harsher than I meant it. In reality Israel has every right to prosper as anyone else. I am not fond of the Arab countries in the region. They are all dumb dictatorships that do not treat their own people any better than Israel treats the Palestinians. What I meant to say is that the US is so pro Israel that it has alienated a large population of the world. I am aware of the complexity of the issues involved and cannot see an easy solution to it. I do think that this perception (real or not) that the US and Israel are one when it comes to the middle east policy, is harmful to the US. Somehow it has to change. And I think that Israel is militarily strong enough that it does not face the danger of "non-existence" anymore. Re the Palestinian question: Ultimately the lasting peace can only happen when both sides learn to accept each other's right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I don't know how that can be brought about, as there has been so much hatred on both sides for so long. If it was possible at all, I would think that there should be no Arab/Israel dividing line within Israel. Rather an effort should be made to integrate both sides of the society. No one tries to blow up the house next door; it is so much easier to hate people you've never been in contact with. > Re "And don't think that I am anti-Jew." Perhaps a poor choice of phrase, but I meant it. I live in Queens in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood. And I work on Wall Street. As such I have more Jewish friends than all other groups combined. My brother lives in Brooklyn Heights near Atlantic Avenue. That is an Arabic neighborhood. I've had an opportunity to see up close how each side has reacted. My personal biases have been that I like to associate with the American Jews as I've found them very humanitarian. And I've decided to avoid Palestinians and Israelis (for different reasons). But that is just a personal bias. I do not allow it change my conduct in dealing with people. I too pray for the day that can all be free of hatred and governed by wise leaders. all the best, Sun Tzu