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To: freshears who wrote (91939)	9/15/2001 10:38:55 AM
From: dreamer	Respond to of 150070

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To: freshears who wrote (91939)	9/15/2001 10:55:53 AM
From: syrinx	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 150070

snowcloud, I think you made a very accurate assessment. bin Laden has it out for the United States, and there is nothing we can do to alter his views, except to terminate him. Its obvious he has a network here in the United States, and will utilize them again, especially, if the end is near for bin Laden. Fortunately, for the U.S. we'll win the numbers game. That is we'll just keep sending troops upon troops until the job is done. He doesn't have that luxury of expense. Matter of fact every time he sends out a suicide mission his contingency gets smaller by the mission. So how do you capture bin Laden? I think the most logical and safest way would to invade Afghanistan, and take control of the country, and then cut off his needs for food, fuel, ammo, etc. Just wait him out. Unfortunately, to capture or kill ben Laden is not enough. If you have cock roaches in your house, you know you just can't kill the majority of them, you have to get them all. I believe, if you want to do this right, other countries need to be taken over. I'm not sure if NATO or the U.S. has that kind of resolve, but now is the time, like it was years ago against Iraq. We will probably lose American citizens to terrorism during this conflict, but that is a sacrifice that has to be made. Sometimes you have to lose a little to gain a lot. It's unbelievable that so much killing and pain has to be done just to obtain freedom, but in essence that's how the United States came into being. Its ironic, at times, to preserve the existence of our freedom is to disobey the actual principles that support it. I have to say no matter how ugly it gets, we as a nation have to get uglier. Hopefully, from this point on, the U.S. will adopt the philosophy of Israel. If you kill one of us, we'll kill ten of you. And with all this killing going on. God help us all.

To: freshears who wrote (91939)	9/15/2001 3:13:30 PM
From: StocksDATsoar	Respond to of 150070

I believe that we haven't seen anything yet and that it is going to get ugly beyond imagination. IT'S THE BEGINNING ON THE END IMO..THE QUESTION I HAVE IS "WHEN IS THE END" ANYWAY, LET'S ROCK ON AND ENJOY ARE FAMILES AND LOVED ONES.

To: freshears who wrote (91939)	9/16/2001 2:10:16 AM
From: CIMA	Respond to of 150070

An Afghan Speaks - World War 3 coming? An Afghan-American speaks: You can't bomb us back into the Stone Age. We're already there. But you can start a new world war, and that's exactly what Osama bin Laden wants.- - - - - - - - - - - - By Tamim AnsarySept. 14, 2001 \| I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on San Francisco's KGO Talk Radio, conceded today that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived in the United States for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats' nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan -- a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and healthcare? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans; they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban -- by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that, folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: That's bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the West. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the West wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose; that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong -- in the end the West would win, whatever that would mean -- but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?