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To: AllansAlias who wrote (13649)	9/15/2001 11:31:31 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 209892

I found your early morning post thought-provoking, with excellent points. Thank you. I received this post this morning and hope you will allow me to repost it here. Jules Garfunkel is an old friend and a wise man with a great deal of experience. Find those that will Profit and you find the Perpetrators It has been some time since I posted here, and it is sad that I come back under the circumstances of the events of this last week. However, I would like yours and your readers help in getting this post to the attention of proper authorities. As you know I am a long ago retired Financial analyst. During this last week, as I watched the tragic events unfold, the thought occurred to me that to identify and catch those responsible for Monday's terrible tragedy, the FBI needs to in addition to following the money trail of where the money came from that supported the terrorists, they must also follow the trail of who will profit most from this attack. I mean, wouldn't the terrorists, knowing that they where going to disrupt the stock market by taking out the World Trade Center, Sell Short. Probably they would Short the obvious; Airlines, Travel, Insurance, and Banking Industry stocks, in addition to the QQQs the Dow Index, etc. Most certainly they would spread out their Short selling to markets located around the world, with probable greater concentration in U. S. markets? If this scenario is correct, Osama bin Laden , or the Taliban, or Sadam Hussein, or whoever perpetrated these dastardly acts, knowing that chaos would surely ensue, would have Shorted the market last week, or last month, but certainly within the last year, in order to finance their next terrorist attacks. Therefore, by investigating those who have heavily increased Short Selling recently, would be the ones who are the perpetrators of the attack. As a further benefit of exposing such a plot; it would also debunk the idea of "martyrdom" which was, and probably continues to be, used to motivate these suicidal religious fanatics? I don't know where to take my suspicions. Perhaps the FBI or SEC are looking into such a potential scenario, as I write. However, I feel responsible to bring these ideas forward and ask for your assistance in getting exposure for these ideas to the proper authorities. Best regards to all, Jules B. Garfunkel

To: AllansAlias who wrote (13649)	9/15/2001 11:40:55 AM
From: Terry Maloney	Respond to of 209892

Very nice post, with which I concur ... thanks for taking the time to express these ideas so eloquently.

To: AllansAlias who wrote (13649)	9/15/2001 2:32:46 PM
From: The Freep	Respond to of 209892

Very nice and thought provoking post, Allan, and I don't think you're alone in asking the hard questions. FWIW, American leaders from all parties and all walks of life have a history of asking themselves the hard questions. We may not always like the answers they give, of course, but now. . . when the whole world watches and waits. . . we must hope that they fully understand the issues confronting them and ask those questions once again. Perhaps I'm naive, but I believe they will do so. I am not so naive, however, to think that their answers will please everyone. That's not possible. And like you, I hope they "do the right thing" whatever that may be. As to <<When we consider the atrocities and disasters of the last 50 years, it's a little confusing to me that we should only now be driven to such an outpouring.>> I agree. . . and yet understand fully why the moment has now come. The images and immediacy of what happened this Tuesday past rival nothing I've experienced (in my admittedly less than 50 years). There's a primacy. . . an impact. Certainly, from my American point of view, there's an immediacy and connection. I have never walked across a bridge or dined at a restaurant in Kosovo, but I have eaten breakfast at Windows on the World. I'd dare say that more of the world has seen images of the New York skyline and/or flown on a plane than have a connection with many of the atrocities of the last 50 years. Because of my connections, it's easier for me to understand and react to this atrocity. Similarly, the images of the first few hours on Tuesday. . . their immediacy and tragedy. . . were broadcast live around the world. Certainly, I have seen images of thousands slowly dying in Somalia or other nations as they starve and/or die due to civil wars, famine, and genocides. But it's always been possible to view that in a somewhat abstract way. . . a tragic process played out over time. Yet the images of a plane flying into the WTC. . . of firefighters rushing upstairs as everyone else pours down. . . of people helping people during a moment of overwhelming crisis. . . have an immediacy that prevents any sort of denial or distancing for me, and I suspect much of the world. Certainly an outpouring of support could have happened before, and one can argue that it should have. Regardless, that this outpouring has happened at all means that we are not all desensitized yet. . . we are all still capable of being moved and perhaps spurred to action. As long as that is the case, there is hope that we can still create change. And now, Freeplet is home and as I did every day before Tuesday and will every day I can, I shall hug and kiss him, ruffle his too long hair, think of the days ahead when I plead for him to get a haircut then silently curse as he comes home with a mohawk, and try to teach him about his world. I am grateful that he's not old enough to need this tragedy explained to him, but am well aware that in the years ahead there will be more and more complex issues to try and tell one so young and innocent. Much as I hope our leaders have the wisdom to take the right path now, I hope that I, too, can fulfill that mission for my son as the years pass. As always, we will know in the fullness of time. the freep

To: AllansAlias who wrote (13649)	9/15/2001 10:01:00 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

>>I ask myself the following: "What would we do if this terrible event were realized by people like McVeigh or, say, a European-based terrorist group such as we had in the 1970's and 1980's?" << Very good thought. I'll say something that may get me in trouble with many. I question the goal of president Bush already: A war on terrorism?? Sounds like a good rallying cry, but is there any practical way to do that? I believe he should narrow his focus to finding those directly & indirectly responsible for this attack -- retaliate without warning or fanfare -- and do what is practicable here to prevent future occurences without unduly impinging on our freedoms. The frustration is acute because those most directly responsible for the attacks are all dead. Such fanaticism appears to be madness to us and to try and understand it may appear to be a waste of time, but it is worth trying to understand what motivated these people -- if for no other purpose, in order to defeat them. There is simply no getting around the truth of the initial point made by that war-monger type link you posted: We have suffered a humiliating and symbolic defeat in these attacks. No, it's not the end, and not something we can't recover from, but evil men do win from time to time and they won this round.