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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (122109)	9/15/2001 11:26:10 AM
From: marginmike	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

On the way to talking my daughter to acting clas this morn, someone scribled two quotes on the sidewalk. One was by V. Lombardi and I think its aprapoe here. "Its not if you get knocked down that matters but getting back up that does" or something like that.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (122109)	9/15/2001 11:37:37 AM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

As far as I was aware the Romans did build a temple to Jupiter on the site. There wasn't a Christian church there. The mosque and the Dome of the Rock were both built by the Muslims - sure they built them for political reasons to counterbalance the Church of the Sepulchre on the other side of the city just like the Mosque of Omar next to the church with its minaret slightly higher than it. I will check this stuff again if neccessary. Did a very interesting course when I was an undergrad at Hebrew University called "Historical Geography of Jerusalem". Lots of field trips in the city. Guy called Rahav Rubin atught it. Now he is chair of the Geography Department there. I can look up that stuff and the other history books I have. But whatever the case I don't think the tradition that linked them to Al-Aqsa isn't a recent invention IMO. And they picked up on the Jewish tradtion that the temple mount is the place of the sacrifice of Isaac. There is also a tradition that it is where Adam was created. They also knew then that that was the site of the temple. And as Islam sees itself as the sucessor of Judaism in a way it was a tribute to the Jewish tradition while attaching new Islamic traditions to it. From a secular viewpoint none of these traditions are historically correct but I don't think it helps to attack Islamic ones. We just need to restate that all the historical and archaelogical evidence points to it as the site of the Jewish Temple come what may in later Islamic tradition and holiness which have to be respected as well given their long history. Agia Sofia was a church converted to a mosque that is correct. David