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To: marginmike who wrote (122132)	9/15/2001 12:59:42 PM
From: RocketMan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

This will go down in history as the biggest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor.

To: marginmike who wrote (122132)	9/15/2001 1:11:54 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 436258

mm, i figured out a looooooooooooooong time ago that if someone wants me dead either... 1. i'm dead... 2. they are incredibly inept. the idea that govt can predict in advance all possible terrorist scenarios and prevent them is a bit far fetched, imho... well, they may be able to, but neither you nor i would like the government much. btw, freedom comes with a tax - the freedom tax. this is the freedom for people to do stupid or evil things. that tax was awful big on sept 11, 2001.

To: marginmike who wrote (122132)	9/15/2001 1:25:15 PM
From: Joseph Beltran	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 436258

marginmike, The conclusion that I am reaching after considering the barrage of information over the past few days is that we had no "security" to speak of with respect to this type of terrorism. The metal detectors and luggage processing operations were a joke. The airlines knew it. The government knew it. The american public was kept ignorant of it unless you paid attention to the periodic articles from any one of a multitude of airport security specialists. This situation was agrravated by a sense of national complacency, despite the fact that the trade center bombing of '93 was an evident wake up call. The bureaucrats dropped the ball badly and we now must pay a much a higher price in terms of money and personal freedom in order to enjoy any sense of "domestic security". I don't think we will ever go back to the sense of security we "felt" as a nation before September 11th. I am absolutely confounded by my feelings after watching the events of the past week. As much as I think it is important that we strike back decisively and completely against the perpetrators and abettors I feel a corresponding degree of anger for those agencies, companies, unions, individuals who put their own self-interest ahead of our interests as a nation when it came to these security issues. I am alluding specifically to those unions who successfully convinced the government not to require backround checks for people who man or operate the metal detectors and other security devices at airports; to those airlines who fought tooth and nail to no minimize any security precautions, especially those which would cost them any money; at the government for repeatedly ignoring warnings from its own safety experts and allowing airports and airlines whose safety measures were proven to be worthless and ineffectual to continue to operate without consequences, etc., etc. And I am also mad as hell at the american public, including myself, who knew these measures were largely ineffectual but took the path of least resistance.