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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (9349)	9/15/2001 6:03:58 PM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 74559

Post of the day! Thanks. DAK

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (9349)	9/15/2001 7:10:09 PM
From: Oblomov	Respond to of 74559

Maurice, your posts are always enlightening, always expanding the boundaries of my thought. Thanks.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (9349)	9/15/2001 7:22:41 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

>>fondling females in strip joints although they claim to be Jihad Moslems Hey, that was OK -- they wanted a preview of Paradise with all them virgins.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (9349)	9/16/2001 3:01:52 AM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Respond to of 74559

Hi Maurice, As Calvin [of Calvin & Hobbes] says, "TV defines reality". I'm afraid the 'Calvin Ball' rules have just been applied to life in NA. regards Kastel PS. My all time favourite comic strip, sigh.... nice post

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (9349)	9/17/2001 12:50:03 PM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 74559

Mq, I have been thinking for a few days about this post. Metaphysical certitude ("MC", in shorthand) as you present it, is a deadly yet sometimes useful way of looking at things. It dissolves the need for thinking and supplies the basis for the linear path of action that zealots of all stripes require. I think that MC provides the raw ingredients for a king-sized dollop of hubris. In the present context, MC is abundant and multiplying virally on both sides. I smell the sour stench of hubris cooking. I just don't know from whose campfire the stench emanates. I read brief excerpts of Thucydides tome on the Pelopennisian War last night. Athens [the US] was eventually beaten by the Spartans despite its democratic institutions and its notion that "the strong always make the rules." The parallels were eerie. I hope we are not going down the same Athenian path. But I'm keeping my eyes and nostrils open. I disagree with you about the special nature of the WTC calamity. It is the first time a war has begun [all previous engagements were not part of a declared war] as a result of a substantial surprise assault on non-combatants. This is what makes it a travesty which civilization cannot tolerate.