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To: Oeconomicus who wrote (131303)	9/16/2001 12:09:15 PM
From: H James Morris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

Bob, what Pakistan currently says and what Pakistan does could be quite different. Lets see how it plays out, but like Cheney said it might take a long time so we have to be patient. >. "What we are going to do is aggressively go after Mr bin Laden, obviously, and all his associates. And even if it takes a long time, I'm convinced eventually we'll prevail," Mr Cheney said. 16:52

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (131303)	9/16/2001 9:49:29 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

<<The Soviets tried it in Afghanistan and lost. >> I find it fascinating that people have no memory at all of the Afghan war. The Russians were doing quite well and were on their way to winning. They moved in with those big mean helicopter gunships and the rebels would shoot at them with their rifles, to no avail. Then the rebels would retreat to the mountains and try to hide. But then the US said, hey we can't let this happen, the Ruskies could drive all the way to the Arabian Sea for a warm-water port. So via the CIA we supplied the rebels (bin Laden and his friends) with surface to air rocket launchers and trained them how to use them. This turned the tide. Without this help, the Russians would likely have won. it took yrs for the war to officially end, as the Russians were very reluctant to withdraw and admit defeat.

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (131303)	9/17/2001 6:57:12 AM
From: Paul Merriwether	Respond to of 164684

>. The difference between us and earlier invaders of Afghanistan is that we do not seek to dominate the Afghan people, but only to crush the tyrants. ah! But if you take a closer look, the british went in to ensure a stable buffer state between british india and advancing czarist russia. Afganistan was never the "prize". The soviets too, went in to prop a pro-soviet party in Kabul(and prevent the return to monarchy under Zahir shah). One could therefore claim that neither Victoria nor Brezhnev had interest in "dominating" afgans.