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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (27656)	9/16/2001 2:38:22 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Their revulsion is true. You don't think you revolt them. Think again. Should you care? You better if you want to prevent them from acting on this revulsion.

To: Neocon who wrote (27656)	9/16/2001 2:39:26 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I think he is explaining- he isn't saying we should leave the region- he is saying they will not cease, and he is right. The rest of the world does have a right to self determination (imo)- he doesn't say the "people" do, he is talking about countries. Clearly the Muslims working for Bin Ladin feel revolted enough to kill themselves in the service of their cause, that is pretty revolted. I didn't read the article as saying they are right to feel revolted (that would be mitigation), he is merely laying out the why. That we may have played into their revulsion does not mitigate their actions- he said we need to remember (which I interpret as understand). I don't read it as an apologia for terrorists.

To: Neocon who wrote (27656)	9/16/2001 2:58:23 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Americans need to remember that the rest of the world has an absolute right to self-determination that is as defensible as our own. Neo, we've had this discussion on this thread before. As I recall, we disagreed then as we disagree now. Other peoples have a right to be whatever they want to be. They just don't have the right to come here and blow us up. We have to be careful to make that distinction lest we come across as arrogant and imperialist, which just creates another set of problems down the road. It may still be too soon for us to be able to distinguish clearly between comments that explain those we don't understand and approve and comments in the Officer Krupke vein, but we're going to have to get there sooner or later. I mentioned to Cosmic the other day that it's too early to discuss issues in less than a black and white way. But I don't think it's too soon to start discussing the fact that sooner or later we will have to learn to discuss the gray. Karen