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To: elmatador who wrote (9511)	9/16/2001 2:42:00 PM
From: gg cox	Respond to of 74559

Excerpt from.. Pierre Elliott Trudeau’s Televised Statement on the War Measures Act October 16, 1970 STAND FIRM near the bottom of the article pasted here.. "STAND FIRM Canada remains one of the most wholesome and humane lands on this earth. If we stand firm, this current situation will soon pass. We will be able to say proudly, as we have for decades, that within Canada there is ample room for opposition and dissent, but none for intimidation and terror. There are very few times in the history of any country when all persons must take a stand on critical issues. This is one of those times; this is one of those issues. I am confident that those persons who unleashed this tragic sequence of events with the aim of destroying our society and dividing our country will find that the opposite will occur. The result of their acts will be a stronger society in a unified country. Those who would have divided us will have united us. I sense the unease which grips many Canadians today. Some of you are upset, and this is understandable. I want to reassure you that the authorities have the situation well in hand. Everything that needs to be done is being done; every level of government in this country is well prepared to act in your interests" STAND FIRM AMERICA members.nbci.com

To: elmatador who wrote (9511)	9/16/2001 4:14:16 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Was it Hegel? I had it hanging on Herder. Does not matter. The idea of a nation-state is hopelessly outdated and, yes, inherently explosive (Kosovo, Bosna...). It should be a state of citizens - citoyens -. The openness - it's not (just) an economic category. In these time it should spiritual / value / extroverted openness. One could start first by dispelling - on US home turf - the idea that the west is endangered by islam per se. I wonder if this paranoia is not, at least partially, an update on the standard rasism? Nation of islam as seen by a [modernized/civilized/sanitized enough] version of Aryan nation?... Re Kaucasus: from the very first times that region was sort of a free-for-all outback ("Come to Kaukasus with 12 months hunting season") Very convenient, the different gods involved - makes it easy to go for boilerplate positions, paradigms and solutions. dj