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To: marginmike who wrote (122370)	9/16/2001 5:28:20 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 436258

The fact is skeeter that Isreal would live, and co-exist with Palestine. Would the palestineans do the same with Isreal?? No. That's quite a set of "facts" you have accumulated. Have you considered writing a dissertation? Here is a real fact: <<< The attempts made by a few Israeli politicians to ignore the factors of 'Jewish ideology' in favor of purely imperial interests have led to disastrous results. In early 1974, after its partial defeat in the Yom Kippur War, Israel had a vital interest in stopping the renewed influence of the PLO, which had not yet been recognized by the Arab states as the solely legitimate representative of the Palestinians. The Israeli government conceived of a plan to support Jordanian influence in the West Bank, which was quite considerable at the time. When King Hussein was asked for his support, he demanded a visible quid pro quo. It was arranged that his chief West Bank supporter, Sheikh Jabri of Hebron, who ruled the southern part of the West Bank with an iron fist and with approval of then Defense minister Moshe Dayan, would give a party for the region's notables in the courtyard of his palatial residence in Hebron. The party, in honor of the king's birthday, would feature the public display of Jordanian flags and would begin a pro-Jordanian campaign. But the religious settlers in the nearby Kiryat-Arba, who were only a handful at the time, heard about the plan and threatened Prime Minister Golda Meir and Dayan with vigorous protests since, as they put it, displaying a flag of a 'non-Jewish state' within the Land of Israel contradicts the sacred principle which states that this land 'belongs' only to Jews. Since this principle is accepted by all zionists, the government had to bow to their demands and order Sheikh Jabri not to display any Jordanian flags. Thereupon Jabri, who was deeply humiliated, canceled the party and, at the Fez meeting of the Arab League which occurred soon after, King Hussein voted to recognize the PLO as the sole representative of the Palestinians. For the bulk of Israeli-Jewish public the current negotiations about 'autonomy' are likewise influenced more by such Jewish ideological considerations than by any others. >>> (from "Israel Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion") Here we have a case in which the Israeli government ruled (due to popular pressure) that land outside its official borders is land that belongs only to Jews, and that nobody else may declare sovereignty, or even display a flag. Now, tell me again how Israel would welcome a Palestinian state with open arms. Tom

To: marginmike who wrote (122370)	9/17/2001 10:59:14 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 436258

mm, first, many jews disagree that all the children being killed are guilty of some offense. sure, some are, but others aren't. for each kid throwing a rock, how many innocent children must die? please provide us with the acceptable innocent child death ratio to kids that actually kill throwing rocks. also, when israelis kill palestinians, do they get to use the same kill ratio? or is there a double standard? we know the kill ration is 6 to 1. we know the minor ratio is 20 to 1. second, i'm sure there is a group of folks out there that would like to forcefully take over your master bedroom in your house and then live peacefully with you in your home. i'm sure there are other groups that would support this as 'reasonable and rational behavior." why don't you offer to do this since you like the idea works so well for others?