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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (6737)	9/16/2001 11:24:30 PM
From: ProDeath	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Here's the link to the article source AFAIK. salon.com

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (6737)	9/16/2001 11:56:52 PM
From: ManyMoose	Respond to of 93284

You will find President Bush's response consistent with the concerns expressed in this piece. People are angry. Give them some space. OK?

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (6737)	9/17/2001 12:13:23 AM
From: Angler	Respond to of 93284

Patricia: This message relayed on your post regarding the internal situation of Afghanistan certainly makes sense. Their Mafia is apparently running the country. It should be sent on to all journalists for study. We still have to get to Ben Laden, who is not an Afghan. It would be wonderful if some of the neighbors chose to eliminate him as a universal danger to all. His presence puts everyone in charge in jeopardy. One of our hopes may be that even the Iranians could get to him and rid the world of his threat - the threat of Armageddon, the end of the world. Angler

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (6737)	9/17/2001 3:06:41 PM
From: Mephisto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

"But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanista" The Taliban is the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban may control approximately 90% of the population. Maybe more. Over the past few days, the head of the group that opposed the Taliban died. He was assisinated by two suicide bombers and perhaps one other person shortly b4 or around September 11, the day when the US was struck by terrorists. I do not recall his name and I'll have to go back to the press to retrieve this information. The Taliban have enforced their own brand of Muslim fundamentalism on the people of Afghanistan. People are not allowed to watch or own television. Women are not allowed to attend school. Professional women who once participated in society are no longer allowed to do so. Earlier this year, at the request of others, I posted a petition on a thread on SI, asking people to sign a petition that protested the Taliban's treatment of women. The RESONSE? The petition was IGNORED! I post it here so that you will have a sense of the oppression that the Taliban have brought to the people of Afghanistan. In this instance, the women. .........................................***********************................................................... The TALIBAN beat and kill women in Afghanistan (Please sign the following petition) Madhu, the government of Afghanistan, is waging a war upon women. Since the Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua and have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire,even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten to death by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her arm(!) while she was driving. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a relative. Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without a male relative; professional women such as professors, translators, doctors, lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs and restricted to their homes. Homes where a woman is present must have their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are never heard. Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or begging the street, even if they hold Ph.D.s. Depression is becoming so widespread that it has reached emergency levels. There is no way in such an extreme Islamic society to know the suicide rate with certainty, but relief workers are estimating that the suicide rate among women must be extraordinarily high because those who cannot find proper medication and treatment for severe depression would rather take their lives than live in such conditions. At one of the rare hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually rocking or crying, most of them in fear. When what little medication that is left finally runs out, one doctor is considering leaving these women in front of the president's residence as a form of protest. It is at the point where the term "human rights violations" has become an understatement. Husbands have the power of life and death over their women relatives, especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone or beat woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending them in the slightest way. Women enjoyed relative freedom: to work, to dress generally as they wanted, and to drive and appear in public alone until only 1996. The rapidity of this transition is the main reason for the depression and suicide; Women who were once educators or doctors or simply used to basic human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as subhuman in the name of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. It is not their tradition or 'culture,' but it is alien to them, and it is extreme even for those cultures where fundamentalism is the rule. Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are women in a Muslim country. If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in the name of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, citizens of the world can certainly express peaceful outrage at the oppression, murder and injustice committed against women by the TALIBAN.. ……………………………………*********………………………………. STATEMENT: In signing this, we agree that the current treatment of women in Afghanistan is completely UNACCEPTABLE and deserves action by the United Nations and that the current situation overseas will not be tolerated. Women's Rights is not a small issue anywhere, and it is UNACCEPTABLE for women in 2000 to be treated as subhuman and as so much property. Equality and human decency is a fundamental RIGHT, not a freedom to be granted, whether one lives in Afghanistan or elsewhere. From Jane Banning, national ECW president 1997-2000: Signature of Petitioner: 1. MEPHISTO …………………………………….*********…………………………………. If you decide not to forward this, please send it back to me. I know this is too true and so dreadful. Oprah actually had a show about this atrocity. This is an actual petition, and "signatures" will be lost if you drop the line. Please take 3 minutes to do your part Thank you JANE <Jwbann@aol.com> ……………………………………***********…………………………….. PLEASE COPY this email on to a new message, sign the bottom and forward it to everyone on your distribution lists. If you receive this list with more than 300 names on it, please e-mail a copy of it to: sarabande@brandeis.edu

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (6737)	9/17/2001 3:34:58 PM
From: Mephisto	Respond to of 93284

Since the attack on the United States, I read that The Supreme Commander of the Taliban said that bin Laden was "an honored guest" in the country. Bin Laden is a very good friend of the Taliban's Supreme Commander. Awhile back, I read that the Taliban restricted bin Laden's training camps in Afghanistan. Recently, however, I saw film footage on tv that showed bin Laden was back to training terrorists in the camps in Afghanistan. It is true, as the author of the letter explains, the Afghans are a nation of impoverished people. The Russians tried to occupy the country and were unable to do so. I do not believe the US, unless it is lucky, will kill bin Laden with conventional war fare. Pakistan's Role I understand that they will deliver a letter from the United States to the Taliban. The Taliban will have three days to turn over bin Ladan to the US. It is unlikely that they will do so. Evidently, US plans to strike, but I don't know what good it will do since bin Laden hides in remote parts of the country. Pakistan's Dangers The leader of Pakistan is General Musharraf. I understand that he intends to help the United States. He may allow US ground troops on Pakistan soil, but they will have to be lodged in remote places, because of the anti-American sentiment in the area. If the US can find bin Laden quickly, he may not have any trouble with his military. If the war lingers, General Musharraf could be taken out by a coup. US and Guerilla Warfare We don't exactly have a track record. Look at our failures in Viet Nam, Cambodia and our failed attempt to free the hostages in Iran during the Carter Presidency. fight against guerilla warfare, the only way to take him out and infiltrate the group is with American terrorists who know the language and who can live off the, move in and out of Afghanistan and terrorists camps in other countries where bin Laden and his supporters run terrorists camps. Will the Taliban turn over bin Laden to the US Today's New York Times said, "The Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, has already said in a definant woarlike radio sppech on Friday, that he believed handing over Mr. Bin Laden would not spare Afghanistan from an American attack." (Page A3, from the article, "Pakistaini Team Giving Ultimatum to Afghans", Monday, September 17, 2001. Omar and bin Laden have been very good friends for many years.