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To: Joe NYC who wrote (55584)9/17/2001 3:42:01 AM
From: tejekRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
With Serbia, the country was not hostile to the US, the only ambition Serbia had at the time was to salvage as much as possible from it's disintegrating country, it in no way threatened the US, US interests, citizens or US territory. The incident that sparked the war was a negotiating misstep of an inexperienced State department team, where they gave Serbia an ultimatum, and they couldn't find their way out of it. The incident to jusify going to war was "developed" stated after the fact, it was all this genocide talk, of which there not only was there no evidence at the time, the test of time proved the premise it to be false.

Here we go again...over the test of time? Over the test of time in fact it appears to be the opposite of what you say. But to get clear on your position, you are saying that the US screwed up badly, lied about its screw up and then went after S. Milosevic and done him wrong even though he is really a saint; that the fear expressed by people in Kosovo and Montenegro was imagined or created for our benefit? That his trial in front the Hague Tribunal is a setup and a farce? I think you could have the makings of a Balkan soap opera.

Even though I a joking a little, I would really like to hear your response.

In case of bin Laden and Taliban, they are openly hostile to the US, in fact bin Laden declared war on the US (kind of a strange thing for an individual to do, but he inflicted more damage on the US than many foreign powers). The ambition of the bin Laden is to kill Americans and Jews everywhere. As far as the incident that would justify our response, there were numerous: attacks on US embassies in Africa, attack on US troops in Saudi Arabia, attack on the US ship in Yemen (at least 2 of the 3), and the recent attacks.

What I understand is that these attacks were done by terrorists that could well be a Muslim faction. However, I don't think we have evidence that bin Laden's cell is the one that actually committed the attacks. While I understand that the cells are related not unlike one's cousin, I don't think you can arrest the cousin when he was not the actual perpetrator of the crime.

As far as evidence, apparently we had enough evidence on this guy even prior to this attack, when we fired some cruise missiles at Afganistan, and I don't recall anyone disputing the fact that we had the right guy, just the strategy of the attacks.

To be honest, I don't quite remember the details of the attack on Afganistan but I think he took credit for blowing up the embassies in Africa and that's why we sent missiles. Then again he is becoming the Robin Hood of the Islam world with no small help from us I might add, and for that reason, he gets the credit/blame, depending on your perspective, for every major crime committed on the planet. For an example,on another thread, bin Laden is given credit for being the biggest drug dealer on the planet; on still another, the biggest short. His true image and his reputation don't seem to always coincide.

As far as the current attacks, the preliminary evidence is pointing to bin Laden, and since we already have more than enough on the guy even prior to the attack</I?

Just for the record, the only evidence we have to date is that 19 Muslims took part in the hijackings...that's it.

If we assassinate bin Laden and there is no evidence that he is directly guilty, we create the Islam martyr for the 21st century.

Are you serious about this "no evidence" or just playing the devil's advocate?


Yes, I am very serious about this. There are a lot of Muslims in the world....Mani suggests the population is over a billion. If just 2 percent of those sympathize with bin Laden, the last thing we need to do is assassinate him without proof that he committed the attack on the WTC. We need to do this right. Look at the sh*t Israel gets everytime it kills a Palestinian, and its not the world's remaining super power. I think we need to do this by the book no matter how long it takes so that we come out smelling like sh*t washed in rose petals. ;~))

In the meantime, you sound like you're getting ready to form a lynch mob. I just don't think that's the best way to handle this problem.

ted