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To: elmatador who wrote (9605)	9/17/2001 1:13:51 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

El Mat, Islam means "submission" to the will of God - by the sword, if necessary. We didn't start this, they started it. To suggest otherwise is the falsest of lies. Long before the Crusades, the Islamic people conquered Jerusalem, and Seville. The European nations did not try to invade Islamic lands first. Militant Islam tried to force conversion by the sword first. The expansion of Islam started in 632, at the death of the Prophet. The Arabs tried to conquer the rest of Europe via Spain but were stopped by the Franks at the Battle of Tours in 732. The Arabic conquest coming up through Spain was stopped at the Pyrenees. I alluded to that a couple of days ago when I posted about the Battle of Roncevalles, about which the famous Chanson de Roland was written. That was 778. By 638, Jerusalem had fallen to the Arabic armies, and in the following three decades, the army took Syria, Persia, and reached Northern India. Other Arabic armies went to Egypt, took Alexandria, and North Africa. In 711, the Arabic armies, assisted by converts and by persecuted Jews, defeated the Visigoths who held Spain, and established an Arabic kingdom in Spain. In 717, the Arabs assaulted Constantinople but failed. They learned to sail and conquered Sicily and Crete (which explains why the Sicilians are such vindictive bastards). Constantinople protected itself from attacks by sea by the use of Greek fire. The Arabs never conquered Constantinople, but the Ottoman Turks did. Your ancestors kicked them out of Spain in a gradual process called the Reconquista which lasted from the 10th century to 1492, a glorious year. The story in Eastern Europe began later. The Seljuk Turks conquered Anatolia in 1071. The Mongols conquered the Seljuk Turks in 1243. The Ottoman Turks conquered Gallipoli in 1352. They finally were able to conquer Constantinople in 1453. Bosnia was 1463. Wallachia was 1476. Moldavia was 1512. They were defeated in the Battle of Mohacs in 1526, by the Hungarians, but did seize Buda. In 1572, they were defeated in the Battle of Lepanto. In 1573, the Venetians ceded Cyprus to them, and in 1669, the Ottoman Turks captured Crete from the Venetians. 1683 was the unsuccessful assault on Vienna. The first Crusade was at the request of the Byzantine Empire, whose army was defeated in at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071. The first Crusade set out in 1096. Jerusalem was rescued by the Crusaders in 1099, and was recaptured by Saladin in 1187. So, European incursions into Islamic lands were at the request of the Byzantine Empire, which Islamic armies were trying to crush and eradicate. The First Crusade was almost 400 years after the first conquest of European lands by Islamic armies (Spain in 711). I'd like to add that the only nations which still practice slavery today are Islamic.