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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (143681)	9/18/2001 10:02:50 AM
From: GVTucker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Mary, RE: Give me 2 or 3 examples of what you belieive are valid ideas where the "Politically Correct" are shutting down open discussion. While I am generally in agreement with you on this subject, I do see times where Political Correct policies shut down open discussion. Many college campuses in the US have enacted speech codes in which certain types of inflammatory words are forbidden. I cannot see that this is a benefit. Yes, bigots, racists, et al have adopted the PC mantra in order to justify their speech. I am glad that they are allowed their speech, though. If Ali wasn't allowed to speak freely, for example, we wouldn't know how he truly felt (at least the few of us that don't have him on Ignore). That's the wonderful thing about free speech, it allows the idiots to expose themselved to the world. Using the anti-PC mantra in order to justify your own hatred is pretty weak, yes. But using PC to justify censorship is also wrong.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (143681)	9/20/2001 10:57:41 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Mary, Give me 2 or 3 examples of what you belieive are valid ideas where the "Politically Correct" are shutting down open discussion. 1. You can't tell jokes in this country anymore, officially forbidden by laws, rules, offenders to be punished by loss of jobs, expelled from schools, stripped of academic tenure etc. In years of Communist oppression, there was one thing that sustained the silent resistance of the population to the mass indoctrination, and it was telling of jokes. To the credit of Communists, they did not officially the laws banning jokes, like the Storm Troopers of Political Correctness. 2. inventing "sacred cows". In Soviet Union, these were the landless peasants and workers. In the US, these are minorities of all kinds - racial, ethnic, based of sexual behaviour, gender. Any information that may in any way negatively reflect on any of these sacred cows is to be suppressed, anyone who would dare to present the information is to be intimidated (plus all the other consequences outlined in 1.). Any information that may positively reflect on the sacred cows is to be indoctrinated into the heads of children from cradle to grave. 3. Any person who dares to venture out of the very narrow world view of Political correctness is to be intimidated into silence. The best tools is to label any opponent racist, sexist, homophobe, you name it, to put the person on the defensive, so that he can's speak, explain himself, instead, the person is expected to demonstrate that he is not a racist, sexist etc, before preceding. Just watch the tactics of the Storm Troopers on this thread. Joe