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To: bowledover who wrote (256)	9/18/2001 1:49:38 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>Which takes us to Palestinian views and interests. But they get a minimal hearing in the U.S. hence general U.S. ignorance on the issues. yep >Now, if the offer was made public, and is accurate, it would be interesting to know what it was etc., etc.. And then, was it truly a 'good or great or whatever' offer or not? It was not, it was on the same level pretty much on what NATO (US) gave to the Serbs in Rambouillet (sp?) >I just found this thread Tues. a.m. and hesitated to start at the beginning and read through. Can you please read my theory, i need to know if you think I have gone mad or not, Why? Because you obviously know what you are talking about. If that's too much I hope you stick around here, we all can learn a lot from you. >Just think, a fair solution to the I/P conflict pretty much takes Syria and Iran out of the equation over time. What a huge step forward in the quest for justice and a better life for most people in the world. AMEN!!! >Serious analysis means being willing to listen to others, don't assume one's position is necessarily correct, check one's own assumptions, 'beliefs' etc. and be willing to re-consider issues if accurate evidence, good faith reasoning presents itself. PLEASE STAY!! >to understand the I/P issue recognize that the negative side of the Israeli position/history is relatively unknown in the U.S. (Ever heard of the Stern? the Irgun?) The positive side is well known.On the other other hand, the positive side of the Palestinian position/history is not well known in this country. The negative side is. Please don't misconstrue this as some mealy mouthed exercise in saying both sides are equally correct or at fault and let's just all get along. That is not the point at all. Where have you been along, you GOT to stay! >The first issue is to balance out the KNOWLEDGE equation. Then, maybe we (whomever/whatever) can go on from there. Keep in mind, many people, on both sides, have hidden agendas so vigilance is needed. Be especially careful of those in power, whoever, wherever they are. And of course their willing or naive mouthpieces, sycophants and quislings. If you are ever around Ann Arbor Michigan I would be honored to host you for dinner. My wife (Chinese Malaysian) is an awesome cook (you should see my belly after I married her), but please do not bring up anything on my laundry subversive deeds<g> THANK YOU so much for posting here, I at least sure APPRECIATE IT. All the best George

To: bowledover who wrote (256)	9/18/2001 2:08:00 PM
From: FaultLine	Respond to of 281500

<< Yes, my long-time, software engineering co-workers from Pakistan have discussed this issue quite extensively with me. There is no doubt that this is a fervently held belief but in reality WDIK..>> So this is a "fervently held belief." And what does that mean? Is that not somewhat patronizing?... So you acknowledge their "belief" but obviously are unwilling to accept it as a fact with what, under the circumstances is, I think, a cop-out. boweledover, you are completely ignoring the possibility that some of us consider all reports of supernatural phenomena to be untrue. Would you rather have me bluntly and publicly dismiss him with a pointless and not constructive, "Tsk, superstition... "? We are here to consider how other people think and not to simply agree with them. If I deny his right to his particular belief system out-of-the-box, them I am probably closing all doors to rapprochement. Acknowledging and accepting "Equal Opportunity Reality" seems to me to be a first step in discovering common ground. I'm neither Muslim nor Jew but I have the capacity to learn, understand, and make my own value judgements. Concerning my caution to Malcom, I thought about creating this thread for quite a while but I wondered if it would be worth the time and energy I suspected it would require. I've done a fair amount of reading on the P-I conflict and, at this point in time, it seems hopeless to me. So in this light, I guess I feel that spending 40%, 50% , even 80% of our efforts endlessly sniping over this Gordian knot is, well frankly, a big fat waste of time and it would likely kill interest in this thread. Please read my comments again. But in the meantime, there are other many other very important issues in this world and I feel the need to study and consider them with a few SI friends. --fl