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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (8140)	9/18/2001 1:25:44 PM
From: Edmond Katonica	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

You got me thinking and that;s not good "When people attain a higher level of income and education their birth rate typically goes down and they tend to attain what we may refer to as a state of "relativism." Read the posts over at SD2. That proves you wrong Got Gold,,,, Got prune juice

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (8140)	9/18/2001 1:27:40 PM
From: chowder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Ed, << The only way to "win" the war totally and completely, is through education and income. << Whose education and what type of income? Are we to educate them in Western ways? Isn't that what most Arab nations are against? And isn't focusing on income and an increasing wealth forbidden in their lands unless you are a member of royalty? Me thinks we're the ones that need ed-gee-cating. dabum

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (8140)	9/18/2001 1:31:45 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23153

Fast Eddy, "As an aside, does religion create hatred or just give it an overtone of rightousness and amplify it? Is there some other alternative that I'm missing? It's not a rhetorical question and I'm certainly not attacking the beliefs of many in a supreme being. I'm just wondering how that works." Let me try: today's terrorist dogma is born of the recognition of the poverty around them and envy of those who, seemingly no better (your average Joe 6 pack American), have much more. Now the envy begins, one of the 7 capital sins. Now we add to this mix an interpretation of religion that posits a personal god who loves YOU and YOUR GROUP. Since, religious belief will not allow YOU to blame yourself, and since you are proscribed from blaming your god, ally and protector (which would be blasphemy) for your ills, it must, both rationally and emotionally, be the case that your situation is the result of America and Americans. You can't reason with this and say, well, the desert countries have been poor since forever, and except for the fortuitous discovery of oil, they would all resemble Algeria or the Sudan. Further, all their petro wealth has been, by and large, squandered, rather than invested. Some have tried, but you can't raise a work force in Saudi or Kuwait to undertake things like constructing highways and infrastructure (the Koreans do that) or working in shops--why would they? But, while religion is an element in the envy/anger/fury/action chain, it is no more than that. The German terrorists of the 1980s didn't necessarily have "religious" fervor in their actions, although they had fervent beliefs. Religion/spiritual life is like water, I think, and an absolutely necessary part of most human beings' existence. And like water it is necessary for us to survive: it supports us in our daily lives, in grief, in stress, in worry, in joy, and in despair. If you see a terrorist holding a gun and a plastic bottle of water, do you wonder if it's the water that makes him point the gun? Kb