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To: dennis michael patterson who wrote (19298)9/19/2001 10:58:31 AM
From: JRI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 52237
 
DMP- "They" are still controlling the selling....for "their" benefit...J3P is still putting in his/her last buy order....

Sure we are due for a bounce, but, just as possible, we could see a waterfall event here..

Scary times indeed, all the way around..



To: dennis michael patterson who wrote (19298)9/19/2001 1:08:12 PM
From: Challo Jeregy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 52237
 
from Bill Gross -

Yield Curve Changes Alert
Bond Managers

Pimco’s Gross says he will start to sell
most short-term debt holdings

By Claire Mencke
Investor's Business Daily

A picture can be worth a thousand
words. For folks who watch interest
rates, the most telling graphic lately
has been the yield curve. That’s the
picture of how high long-term interest
rates are vs. short-term rates.

Lately, this curve has been a steep hill.
It ran sharply upward from short to
long rates before last week’s terrorist
attacks. After that, the curve got
steeper yet — as short-term rates
dropped.

Image: Too Steep?

Long and short rates rise and fall for a
number of reasons. What forces are
driving the yield curve now? Mostly,
short rates have been dropping
because the Federal Reserve has been
cutting the short fed funds rate to help
the stalled economy expand. As rates
drop, the theory goes, firms and
people who need to borrow can do so
more easily. Then they can spend
more, and the economy benefits.

Safe Havens

Shorter-debt issues have attracted the
most interest lately. Investors pouring
out of stocks and stock funds have
piled into these safe issues that don’t
tie up money too long.

At least one big institutional investor
thinks this trend has gone about as far
as it can.

Bill Gross, head of bond investing at
$220 billion Pimco Funds, said Monday
he would be selling “the bulk of our
short-dated maturities over the next
few days.” That move will help put
Pimco in a more neutral position in the
bond market, he says.

“The bond market reopened Thursday
with a stunning, although not
unexpected, rally,” said Gross. “Such
rallies call into question the
sustainability of prices and yields that
may reflect more fear than common
sense.”

At their current level around 2.93%,
two-year Treasury note yields “can only
be justified if the Federal Reserve drops
(the fed funds rate) to the vicinity of
2%,” Gross said. That’s 100 basis
points away — still a much larger move
by the Fed than anyone expects.

When short rates drop, long rates may
stay about where they were. If they are
unchanged, the difference between
long- and short-term rates increases.
Then the yield curve steepens. And the
spread, or difference, between long and
short rates widens. That might happen
if market players think the stimulus of a
rate cut will take effect promptly.

We’ve already had a lot of rate cuts
this year — eight in all. Even after
Monday’s 50 basis-point cut, it’s widely
expected that the Fed will lower rates
again at its next meeting on Oct. 2.

When markets expect a lot of economic
stimulus, the curve can get even
steeper — as it is doing now.

“The (30-year) bond yield may rise as
Congress responds with emergency
spending,” said Ed Yardeni, Deutsche
Banc Alex. Brown’s chief investment
strategist.

The upshot? “The yield curve spread is
widening, which is a leading indicator of
economic growth,” Yardeni said. “While
the crisis might push the economy
deeper into a recession the rest of the
year, it might be stimulative next year.”

Spending Plans

The crisis also forces leaders to plan
spending that was unthinkable before.

“One concern in recent weeks was that
congressional arguments over deficits
and Social Security funds would curtail
government spending or tax programs
that could, if rapidly enacted, support
the economy,” said Standard & Poor’s
chief investment strategist David
Blitzer.

“A budget deficit in fiscal 2002 is more
likely.”

Analysts also see a rise in defense
spending. The budget surplus “certainly
would shrink significantly as defense
spending rose,” Yardeni said.
Government debt would no longer
shrink. In fact, it could expand.

This is bearish for long-term bond
investors. Some are shifting out of
longer maturities, too, heading for the
safer ground of intermediate-term
debt.

“We intend to give portfolios a rest,”
Gross said. He’ll wait before returning
to the market.

“The next few weeks should afford
ample opportunities to take risk in
corporate, emerging and even
high-yield bonds if the markets trade
down to bargain levels,” he said.



To: dennis michael patterson who wrote (19298)9/19/2001 1:12:33 PM
From: Jan Crawley  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 52237
 
This dribbling is boring, and unprofitable

Hi Dennis, I am up pretty nicely in my trading a/cs this year and the trading pot is 98% cash. But my L-T investments(Vanguard-windsorII, wellington..etc) was down 8% ytd as of yesterday...and more today..and probably more in the coming weeks. The Vanguard portfolio is much larger than the trading port so I am flat at best for this year right now.

The Vanguard part had a 5% ytd gain as of 7/31/01. Most of the loss occurred within the past 10 days.