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To: Frederick Langford who wrote (383)	9/19/2001 12:44:20 PM
From: Worswick	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

As we speak aobut this..just received from Paris. "According to JG, just now, there is word of a rift in the Saudi gov., perhaps favouring the extreme orthodoxy. Hmmmmmmmmm. O my. O my o my o my. ALl best, C.' I wonder if the "gamers" in Israel have run a plan for negative world reaction to Zionist imperatives? Hope they have. I wonder if they have taken into account Israeli hubris Zeev? Personally, I sort of view Israel as the Fourth Crusade. It is a religious movement fastened on the Holy Land emanating from Europe and it (Zionism) seems to be failing in it's vigor with a drift further and further towards the "zealots" like Mr. Sharon. I believe, correct me if I am wrong, that the crusades fell apart when the crusaders lost belief. This Fourth Crusade will end the way all the other crusades ... with total exhaustion and lots of dead people. At the end I think the Jewish community should look in their hearts here and wonder, really wonder what they have gotten out of Zionism? Of course the answer is they(and we) got the Isrealis. I can't help but note that one of the greatest ironies of the moment is that the religious states of the 20th century appear all to be total failures... Israel as much as Pakistan. Both Israel and Pakistan both survive in a more or less constant state of war .... with permanent appeals for "help". Best to you all, Clark NB. Maybe we should simply tell both the Israeli's and the Egyptians - who don't appear to appreciate us very much - that azll future aid is dependent upon what "intelligence" they bring us about the culprits in the WTC and how they line up with our agendas. Then, tell the Saudi's we are now buying all our oil from Russia... until such point as they turn over Saudi money backers of these terroists to the court system here or abroad.

To: Frederick Langford who wrote (383)	9/19/2001 3:56:19 PM
From: Jill	Respond to of 281500

Thanx for posting that. Chilling. Was listening to a radio interview today where he maintained the same thing (can't even remember what expert it was with). After all, we aren't hearing them demand terms, he pointed out. There is pure hatred for what America is...as well as concomitant anger for the policies. The former makes me sad. Sometimes I think our entire species needs a lobotomy.

To: Frederick Langford who wrote (383)	9/20/2001 6:00:24 AM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Pretty revealing, Fred. Of course, the privileged university students are not unlike our own, during Vietnam: full of certainty about something they know little about. They parrot extreme views, they mimic each other, they would fail Logic101 with their blatant hypocrisies, and they feel privileged, while their peers outside of the colleges must grow up quicker, in the military. Like any segment of any society, some will mature and some will choose to close their minds and remain forever entrenched, as morally inflexible as a rutabaga. I acknowledge rutabagas exist and take care not to run over them so they can continue to exist. I am opposed to any who would exterminate a field of rutabagas. But the opinion of a rutabaga has little impact on world events, rendering their opinion as irrelevant.