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To: Condor who wrote (512)9/20/2001 10:20:21 AM
From: Frederick Langford  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
PBS Interview: Bin Laden

pbs.org.

Fred



To: Condor who wrote (512)9/20/2001 11:38:42 AM
From: Selectric II  Respond to of 281500
 
"If a powerful country attacks a weak country, it is a jihad for all Muslims. When a non-Muslim country attacks a Muslim country, it is a jihad," the clerics claim.

Their statement argues for turning bin Laden over and starting their own jihad against terrorism.

1. How are they defining "powerful?" We looked powerless to stop the terrorist sneak attack, and others like it in the future. To the contrary, those terrorists and nations who support them, who would stealthily declare a unilateral war against freedom-loving, peaceful civilians and civilian targets, look like the ones with ALL the power. I'm sure there were some powerless Muslim civilians among the 5,000+ dead and missing. Using the Clerics' own logic, all powerless, peace-loving Muslims around the world should declare a jihad against the terrorists and their supporters.

2. We aren't "attacking" at all. We're defending. They seem to have forgotten who the aggressors are/were, and denying that by shielding bin Laden and others, Afghanistan might be providing aid, support, and comfort to the powerful aggressors.

The clerics' ought to act on their own statement, denounce terrorism worldwide, and hand bin Laden over.



To: Condor who wrote (512)9/20/2001 11:46:23 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
the perspective of an Arab man
he is half Greek, half Palestinian
he is a great guy, gentle fellow, funny, bright, articulate
he implicates Israel
while logically he makes sense, no way Jose it was Israel

first is his reply to me
second is my initial email to him
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Jim, Sept 20, 2001

Never forgotten you. Of course, you don't even need an intro with me. Come on, do you remember that movie we saw down in Clearwater? Well it was fun.

I am in Dubai now in UAE. With a Lucent spinoff that occurred last Sept. Been here since February.

Look, about this thing with New York. Ask yourself only two questions as you look at CNN and read articles over the next week or so. WHO BENEFITS? That is the culprit. Then ask who Loses the most? That is the victim(s).

Israel benefits now. They have a free rein to kill every Palestinian they set their eyes on. Public opinion has been slanted against them like never before over the past six months. Israel has an official torture law on the books. The only country in the world by the way. They also are expected to receive added security assurances and several billion dollars more in aid. Think about it and don't come to any conclusions, but ask yourself who is losing. The Arabs, of course as usual. So, now you might well ask how they found the Arabic names on the ledgers of the flight school. Sure they did. But that is circumstantial evidence. And besides do you know how cheap it is to convince a despotic, depressed individual who has been seeing nothing but American made missiles and bullets hitting his village or town to take an act of revenge into his own hands? You may not know but the Israelis know. And once all is said and done, there is no trace of the money or the culprits that hatched this ugly scenario, put together the flight manuals, funded the expensive operations and continue to do so till this day.

Think about it.....if the "Arab" culprits had this kind of sophisticated setup, wouldn’t they hit Tel Aviv before they tried gliding over the patriot-missile defenses incorporated into the White House and DOD? Think about it, will ya? Come on it's so clear from the rest of the world’s perspective.

Anyway, food for thought. Here in Dubai I attended a vigil for the victims of the accident last night. It was held in secrecy only by word of mouth at a location nearby my work. The US consul general was there and we sang God bless America! Indeed we did. Felt good. But the speakers present almost found humor in the fact that panicky individuals have begun spreading rumors about Iranians landing in "RAS aL-KHAIMA", a town North East of here. Iran is only a boat ride away towards the east. I can almost see it from my office window. But actually, Dubai is awesome, free, and an excellent city to work in. I also love my job. It's great CRM technology, stable in comparison to other companies today. Sure we all have had challenges but it's cool. Now just try to hang on.

take care and see you soon....

Captain

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Hi Amer, Sept 17, 2001

wow, what a memorable and lousy week
I have thought of you many times in the last few days
been talking to friends, evaluating the situation
mentioning how few Americans know Arabs or Moslems, call them friends
I struggled to recall, but I only have known one
in gradschool I met many foreign students
there was an Egyptian guy, but I didnt meet him
once while skiing in Maine, I met with a nice Iranian fellow named Koveh
we kept up for months via email
he worked in Cambridge at Genetics Institute as a biochemist
I had many foreign friends in gradschool, Carnegie Mellon Univ in Pitt
lived with a guy from Austria, hung with his Yugoslavian friend
I knew two Africans, a great guy Percival from Ghana and a guy from Sudan
1/3 of my gradschool Dept of Statistics was from Taiwan,
all were very nice, quiet, bright
but I have only known one Arab, you
I am grateful for meeting you (and learning “The 7 of 7”)

damn, holy shit, what the f***!!!
what is going on, my man?
I am not so frightened as I am aimless and living without purpose,
not to mention with diminishing hope
you have a keen perspective on Saudi Arabia, having lived there,
and also with your father still living in Riyadh
Bin Laden has mentioned Saudis many times as desecrating soil
American Forces used Saudi land as a base for weeks
the Gulf War was a watershed event with Islamics and Saudis

I am wellread on Biblical Prophesies, but dont want to delve into that
one by one, the pieces of prophesies are falling into place

if you could share your thoughts, I would greatly appreciate it
I hope you have not been on the receiving end of any abuse or violence
some people have been, and in Arizona an Indian man was just murdered
Indian, Iran, Arab, west Asian -Stan's ...... they are so different

been trying to line up prospective jobs, interviews, in old Boston area
so far not successful, with prospects waning each week

where are you? WashDC?
drop me a line
I would value the perspective of a gentle, intelligent, Arab man
especially one with an experienced world view
thanks, Jim