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To: Alomex who wrote (131583)	9/20/2001 2:36:48 PM
From: craig crawford	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

you see where this is going? buschman wants to debate WWII with me and now you want to debate WWI. i do not want to spend time rehashing every single war in history. we will never agree. how about debating recent military engagements and whether or not we have a vital foreign interest in them? >> By the end of those "magical" 150 years mentioned by Buchanan the US had already fought in World War I. << he never used the word "magical", so don't quote him as such. as for fighting in WWI, perhaps he should have said 140 years, because that would have excluded our entry into WWI. >> Pat Buchanan likes to pretend that the US is not a global power << hogwash. you can be powerful without acts of aggression, imperialism, and hegemony. >> that it has no global interests and that reinstituting the dark ages is the solution to modern problems << i'm not intimately familiar with buchanan's stance on everything so i am not prepared to defend him, but i don't equate us minding our own business and not involving ourselves in wars that have been around for centuries or millenniums and which cannot be solved by our interference to be going back to the dark ages! >> Reality is the USA is the most powerful country in the world, << i don't dispute this >> with strategic interests in the gold mines of Rusia and South Africa, in the nickel mines of Canada, in the coffee and cocoa plantations of Africa, in the oil fields of the Middle East, in the engineering rooms of Germany, in the vineyards of France, in the tomato plantations of Mexico, the copper mines of Chile, the beef market of Argentina. << ah hah! so now we are getting somewhere. it doesn't come down to our righteousness or morality, it comes down to the all american dollar. if we want to plunder and pillage the world for the benefit of our own citizens, why don't we just admit it rather than trying to con people that we are all that is good, pure, righteous, and moral when we clearly are not. >> The USA must act on those interests to keep its way of life, its living standard, << like i said, we are getting somewhere. you are exposing the real reason why we plunder and pillage foreign lands. if the government would explain this to it's citizens in clear terms, maybe they could understand why america is hated throughout much of the world and why we are now targets. >> and its internal and external security << we do not need to go policing the world to strengthen our borders from foreign attack. we simply need to build a strong military presence that sends a message that it would be pointless and futile to attack such a great power. >> It should act with restrain and good judgement and with respect to other countries rights << we do not. >> but it must (and does) act to protect its interests. << i feel our government (and our society) failed to protect the interests of thousands of people in NY and DC, because we were too busy slaughtering innocent people around the world under the guise of democracy, justice, righteousness and morality. what a crock!