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To: Alomex who wrote (131624)	9/23/2001 4:57:38 PM
From: craig crawford	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

>> However the alternative to aggression is not, as Pat would want you believe, isolationism << i'm sure there is a happy medium somewhere. the point is we have swung way too far toward the side of intervention. >> (By the way, I can hardly believe that we are here discussing the opinions of a commentator who has openly supported Hitler). << i don't believe that's true. i would be interested to see the evidence supporting this allegation. furthermore, separate the man from the message. you can support an idea presented by someone without supporting that person. i agree with buchanan on a lot of things, but there are plenty of things i disagree with him as well. i simply agree with his ideas in this regard, so i presented them. that doesn't translate into support for all of his ideas or even the man himself. >> So you are suggesting he twists the facts until they fit his pet theory << no, i am simply pointing out that he might have picked a round number of 150 years but should have been more careful to say 140 years, which would have excluded WWI. i can't speak for him though. perhaps he thinks our entry to WWI was justified. >> First he arbitrarily excludes the western hemisphere << i believe he was commenting on an article written by someone else, who choose to exclude the western hemisphere. that seems wholly reasonable to me for obvious reasons. >> then he ignores Libya, Philippines, Hawaii and Japan, now we should restrict ourselves to 150 year, wait, 140 year, nope, hold that, this would include China, lets make it 130 years, oops that includes Hawaii, 120 years. Ooops then there is Japan (open your ports or else... -signed Commodore Perry) so it is now only 80 years of supposed isolationism. << you are throwing all these examples out left and right without providing any support for your claims. why don't you pick your top two or three examples of interventionism this century so we can narrow the focus to a manageable level. >> Protecting your interests is not the same as plundering. << it doesn't have to be but it certainly can be. in many respects the world is a zero sum game. the benefits of unabated consumption for us can (and has) lead to the detriment of others. many people have spoke about the civil unrest that can occur when the disparity of wealth becomes too great within a nation. now it has simply shifted to a global scale. >> Once again you confuse defending your interests with plundering. << when our interests run counter to the interests of others, and we use our economic and military might to force an outcome we desire, i don't know what else to call it. >> Funny, Osama bin Laden attacked the relief forces in Somalia, which were there mostly to prevent famine << your point? >> You call that plundering, and the reason why the WTC got bombed. << i did nothing of the sort. there you go again trying to misrepresent people's position. i never even mentioned the word "somalia" on this thread and you accuse me "calling that plundering". >> Personally I think the terrorists are zealots... << true. >> ...in search of a cause << they already have one. they are not in search of one. >> and America provides an easy target irregardless of her actions, << obviously i totally disagree. i think there are reasons why we are targets (justified or not) and there are things that we can do to minimize ourselves as targets. there are only two courses of action we can take that will solve the problem. either identify and destroy every last enemy of the united states so there is no one left to target us, or pursue a policy where we don't interfere in matters that don't concern us so people won't resent us in the first place. take your pick.