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To: kirby49 who wrote (77055)	9/21/2001 7:14:18 AM
From: Enigma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Funny how you berate the War Measures Act when the same loss of freedoms are being contemplated south of the border. You talk of censorship? That's exactly what you want to do here.

To: kirby49 who wrote (77055)	9/21/2001 8:42:42 AM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

"My Quiver is empty... shot all my bolts. Did I hit anything?" "... but Doug, get your head out of your ass and start giving us some straight talk without the personal attacks... Get over it and get on with it Doug and if..." Bob, Did you "... hit anything?" has an answer of yes & no. All those "bolts" you shot are queued up behind a zillion others that have been let loose this pasy week :o) Some like Bob Johnson that you mention have been pulverized with only a few puff balls, requiring time away to heal and gain strength. Others can take a zillion direct hard hits and withstand the blows and even laugh back at the sended. Some play it smart and collect the first hundred and make them arrows into a shield to prevent the next thousand from doing damage. Then we have a Chatters that will insult every person place and thing in the knowned universe and receive nothing in return. Richard of Mazz, who collects arrows for his collection once he removes them from his backside is correct about Chatters in that if only Chatters who focus and keep it simple stupid (kiss), that his posts of many wisdoms and wise-dumbs would be understood for the greatness he knows them to be to reflect himself to us through his eyes. See below for a correct, as in better approach for a Chatter's post. asf.net Troilus and Cressida The Octagon by William Shakespeare Set during the Trojan War, and one of Shakespeare’s seldom-performed and perhaps least understood plays, Troilus and Cressida offers a corrupt and artificial world, in which pretensions of love and glory are thoroughly deflated. ... satirizes the attitudes people have of war and sex as glamorous. Amid the turmoil of the mythic Trojan War, passion and betrayal both hold together and break apart... WAR AND LECHERY! No, it is not the headline from the latest copy of Time or Newsweek, it is in fact a phrase repeatedly uttered in Shakespeare’s Troilus and Cressida. An ancient tale of romance and heroic disillusionment... ... this play is thought to have been rarely produced before the twentieth century, if ever. Yet as we approach a new century, it is receiving a plethora of productions, many of which were planned long before Monica Lewinsky and Slobodan Milosevic were household names. What is it about this sprawling, uncompromising play that has inspired so many contemporary playmakers? Of course, there is the richness of the play’s language. ... the soaring romantic poetry of Troilus and Cressida, to the venomous invective from both Pandarus and Thersites that sounds alarm-ingly contemporary... ... the legendary and mythic characters. Among them, Achilles, Ulysses, Agamemnon, Hector, Cassandra, and that face that launched a thousand ships, Helen of Troy. And yet in Shakespeare’s’ play we are watching the human complexities, conflicts, and frailties of these characters. Let the myths and legends come later. These are contradictory, flawed, and richly detailed human beings... Will we be ruled by instinct and impulse or by intellect? Passion or reason? Will pride and ego inevitably corrupt the most honorable intentions? The play has extraordinary language; character and large conflicts are all played out against the backdrop of an epic war. So what’s not to like? Many have called the play overtly bitter, nihilistic, and vicious. It is a sprawling, epic, pansexual narrative that asks probing questions and provides no answers. ... a world that is tough and uncompromising. Because the balance of passion and reason is so bleak, it is also very similar to the world we live in. Ego runs rampant and is often rewarded as heroism. News has become entertainment, entertainment has descended to gossip, and now gossip is news! Humanity in all it’s complexities and contradictions hasn’t changed much. We can’t live without passion or reason, yet we struggle with both. Every human being in Troilus and Cressida has their life irrevocably altered by the war. People die, relationships are imperiled, heroes disillusioned, promises are broken, women are objectified, and men will not grow up. Sound familiar? As Cassandra says, "Behold: distraction, frenzy and amazement!" Welcome to the world of Shakespeare’s Troilus and Cressida.

To: kirby49 who wrote (77055)	9/22/2001 7:05:13 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 116752

Hello kirby49. Here are some web sites that vividly show how the taliban and the terrorist believe the world should be. I am sure that I will get some flak from those on this thread that feel that the terrorist were in some way justified in what they did or that the USA should not respond in kind to these sick sick animals. Afgahn women. Under the tyranny of the fundamentalist. rawa.fancymarketing.net Life under fundamentalist. rawa.fancymarketing.net Justice Taliban style: The father of a Pakistani murder victim shoots the alleged Afghan murderer, Mohammadullah, with the blessings of the Taliban authorities in Khost, Paktia Province, Afghanistan. (summer 1996) rawa.fancymarketing.net