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To: Glenn D. Rudolph who wrote (131760)	9/22/2001 11:53:11 AM
From: H James Morris	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

Did you happen to see the tributetoheroes.org telethon last night which was broadcast all over the nation? I thought it was very moving, but the highlight to me was when Steven Stills sang the John Lennon song Imagine. Imagine by John Lennon Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try No hell below us, above us only sky Imagine all the people, living for today Imagine there's no country. It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too Imagine all the people, living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us and the world will be as one Imagine no possessions. I wonder if you can No need for greed, no hunger. A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people, sharing all the world You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us and the world will live as one

To: Glenn D. Rudolph who wrote (131760)	9/22/2001 3:17:42 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 164684

Glenn: A challenging article -- thank you... I hope that our abhorance of terrorism -- state sponsored or otherwise -- will help us come to terms with the role of torture, murder and widespread human rights abuses in other parts of the world. We cannot have a double standard on this. Sitting safe in our homes, it is hard to have an accurate perception of "good guys" and "bad guys" around the world. People who murder and torture others should not be adopted as our 'friends of convenience' doing bad things 'on our behalf'. These people are not good guys at all -- they are bad guys, and they should not be on our payroll to be used as a means to 'serve' US interests. We should not give them training or support. Our military are not murderers, they are soldiers acting in our defense. I do not support 'supplementing' US military forces by recruiting hired killers. Bin Laden is the clearest case in point -- but this is nothing new. On this point, I believe Clinton was right. We know what we stand for -- but if you live in some parts of the world we have not made that clear. We must lead, inspire and liberate -- and we should not side with people who, in the end, have no intention of living up to the ideals represented by the United States of America. The means (liberty and freedom), do not justify the ends (torture and murder). The minute we forget that, we have lost the war. If we remember that, we cannot lose.

To: Glenn D. Rudolph who wrote (131760)	9/22/2001 11:29:29 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

Glenn I think Steve Niva is yet another of many monday morning quarterbacks. If we didn't step in in the Afgan-Russian war, the Russians could have driven all the way to the Arabian Sea for a warm-water port. There is no dilplomatic solution for these terrorists, and Steve doesn't understand this. He clearly does not understand the way the world works. It's too bad that not everyone is as nice as he is! But I really think now that we also need to withdraw somewhat from the ME. We simply don't have as much at stake as we used to. We should still support Israel, but getting out of Saudi Arabia and putting a halt to all this silly hopeless global altruism and intervetnion in civil wars in far-flung regions would help a lot to reduce tension. Victor