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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (28948)	9/22/2001 2:49:57 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

For a little context. Some time later, two prostitutes came to the king to have an argument settled. "Please, my lord," one of them began, "this woman and I live in the same house. I gave birth to a baby while she was with me in the house. Three days later, she also had a baby. We were alone; there were only two of us in the house. But her baby died during the night when she rolled over on it. Then she got up in the night and took my son from beside me while I was asleep. She laid her dead child in my arms and took mine to sleep beside her. And in the morning when I tried to nurse my son, he was dead! But when I looked more closely in the morning light, I saw that it wasn't my son at all." Then the other woman interrupted, "It certainly was your son, and the living child is mine." "No," the first woman said, "the dead one is yours, and the living one is mine." And so they argued back and forth before the king. Then the king said, "Let's get the facts straight. Both of you claim the living child is yours, and each says that the dead child belongs to the other. All right, bring me a sword." So a sword was brought to the king. Then he said, "Cut the living child in two and give half to each of these women!" Then the woman who really was the mother of the living child, and who loved him very much, cried out, "Oh no, my lord! Give her the child--please do not kill him!" But the other woman said, "All right, he will be neither yours nor mine; divide him between us!" Then the king said, "Do not kill him, but give the baby to the woman who wants him to live, for she is his mother!" Word of the king's decision spread quickly throughout all Israel, and the people were awed as they realized the great wisdom God had given him to render decisions with justice. 1st Kings 3:

To: Greg or e who wrote (28948)	9/22/2001 3:11:23 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 82486

As I pointed out even Agnosticism makes a truth statement about the inability to know anything, and thereby forces that opinion on the rest of society. That is not entirely correct. Agnosticism may mean that we can't know to a lot of people. I understand that you take exception to that. But agnosticism can also mean that it isn't relevant or doesn't matter. That's my brand of agnosticism. I would think that even someone of your religious perspective could agree that the Truth is not directly relevant in the setting of taxes or speed limits. Or even the waging of war, even if religion were, as you say, ubiquitous in foxholes. The values of voters are informed by their religious beliefs, but their religion does not direct their positions on even such obvious issues as faith based contracts and grants, the wisdom of which is widely debated among the religious. Government has a much greater interest in establishing an environment were everyone can get along than it does in codifying your Truth or anyone else's. I will not disagree that a few decisions on church and state issues have been squirrelly. I think that the weirdness of them is more a function of the polarization on the issue than anything inherent to the issue. If everyone would just take a deep breath and worry less about slippery slopes, I think that the implementation could be normalized. Karen