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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56057)9/22/2001 5:24:05 PM
From: Dan3Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
What went wrong with Xeon 2GHZ, forcing its cancellation?

Why does a 1.2GHZ Athlon MP outperform a Xeon 1.7GHZ (According to both Anandtech and Ace's Hardware).

What happens to Intel's workstation and server margins over the next 6 months as they try to hold off AMD's dual 1.5GHZ platform that will outperform a dual Xeon 1.7 by nearly 40%? - and cost less! - and not be limited to Rambus!

How many years until Intel has an SOI process to compete with the AMD/IBM/Motorola near term solution?

What will happen when Intel tries to compete with AMD's inexpensive, performance compatible, 64 bit platform? IA-64 is looking more and more like a strategic blunder on the order of Rambus.



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56057)9/22/2001 6:42:45 PM
From: Bill JacksonRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
wanna,, As the Intel designers walk, backwards, of course, so they can bask in the light of past glory, they find they cannot see open manholes and down they go, again and again.
It is quite obvious that the P-4 was brought out crippled and in haste to try to stem the onslaught of the Athlon. Those who slavishly bought it for Mhz or marketing reasons may be blissfully unaware of their bonehead move since it works well enough, albeit at a snail's pace, but others who need performance are seeing it's shortfalls, and there are many, brought forward forecefully again and again.
It is also quite possible that the hammer will smash the intel 64 bit effort.
The P-4 makes no gains, save in Mhz, AMD makes gains in Mhz as well as chip architecture and concommittant efficiencies.

yes, indeed, P-4 = CROCK

Bill



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56057)9/22/2001 7:30:38 PM
From: fyodor_Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 275872
 
Wanna: Look at the strides the Pentium 4 has already made. It is already pushing faster frequencies than any other CPU that exists, and it's performance already beats the best thing AMD has to offer (although this may be challenged with AMD's next round of products).

It's a pleasure to see the world your Intel-rosey-glasses again - almost as much fun as Niceguys same ;-)

Seriously&#133

We agree that P4 performance surpasses Athlon performance (2GHz P4 vs 1.4GHz Tbird), but if the market price was determined based solely on performance, the P4 would be dead in the water. Remember, P4 die size is almost twice that of Tbird.

Of course, I presume at least some of that is due to "dark transistors" from HyperThreading.

As the platform matures further, this advantage will only increase. With extra cache, higher frequencies on .13u, 533MHz front side bus, and more software optimizations (all coming next year), I can't see how you can call it a crock.

I think you are vastly overestimated the "software optimizations". You need to remember that virtually no one uses Intel's compilers - they use Microsoft's (and often not even the latest ones!). Yes, benchmarks will be better optimized next year, but for all intents and purposes, software people use&#133 won't. I'll grant you that there will be a few exceptions - I fully expect Intel will optimize a few filters here and there (which may or may not come with the software when you buy it)&#133 and the like. But little more.

With regards to Hammer, there's little doubt that AMD is in deep doodoo if it's late (or doesn't perform). How great the damage will be depends on how late it is, of course.

The same can be said of SOI. Since this seems to be where AMD has put the majority of its research focus, the .13&#181 bulk Si process likely isn't going to be good enough in the long run. It's probably only enough to keep AMD from falling helplessly behind Intel until SOI, but only time will actually tell.

-fyo