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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jttmab who wrote (6922)	9/23/2001 3:59:43 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 93284

What I'm saying is if you find a country that has been in the throws of war for a long period of time you should expect that a person of evil will rise to power. I'd say that's binary. There are so many counter-examples to that, it is hard to know where to begin. There are many nations that have had long wars that did not sink into anarchy. One example: England fought an interminable series of wars with Napoleon's France and remained a democracy. One can negotiate [generally] with a nation state or you have a rationale hope of doing so; you cannot negotiate with colonies of roaches. But you can convince the gov't on whose territory those roaches are nesting to eliminate them. If they aren't strong enough and need help, you give them what they need. The government of Afghanistan (effectrively the Taliban) doesn't even want to try. Maybe there is a third choice. Work towards ending the violence without propogating the violence. Nice words. How? You do understand that we have 7000 dead over here, right? The deadliest day in American history? Frankly, from I've seen and heard, people are going to demand some visible form of vengeance. I think the Afghanis are going to have to do some weeping too. You may consider that barbaric and retrograde. If your wife or your daughter were one of those 7000, how would you feel? Everybody is taking away different images from this. I remember a picture of an eight-year-old boy weeping over the coffin of his mother at her funeral. It tore my heart out. She was an Emergency Medical Technician who went into one of the towers to get other people out. Do her killers deserve no punishment? There is the reality that the major countries have sponsored war throughout the third world. And there is the reality that out of those wars, persons of evil will rise to power and become terrorists. If the first is unchangeable than the second is inevitable. The first already has changed, actually. We're dealing with the ringing in the circuit that has yet died out. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, the US and USSR lost all taste for head-to-head confrontations; they were much, much too dangerous. They switched to war by proxy. Korea, way back in the early '50s, was the first, so they already had a model. The last was Afghanistan. I don't really disagree agree with changing things. If the Taliban won't hand over bin Laden and his buddies, we go get him. If they get in the way, they get kicked aside. We use whatever weaponry is necessary. And afterwards we institute a mini-Marshall Plan for Afghanistan and Pakistan to try to drain the swamp. If the diehard religious fanatics there will let us.