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To: long-gone who wrote (77181)	9/23/2001 10:43:16 AM
From: Enigma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Looked like a war sounded like a war. It was a war that the US lost. A huge trauma. Witness the Vietnam Memorial - the trauma lives on. Ah yes, one might say - if only we'd nuked those Cong - then we'd have won! But Truman put a stop to that notion in Korea. He cut down MacArthur - in many respects one of America's greatest men -but Truman was right that time - an act of courage.

To: long-gone who wrote (77181)	9/23/2001 12:42:15 PM
From: ubetcha	Respond to of 116752

Thank You Long-gone. That was my response to Rarebird. We are talking apples and oranges here. Terry

To: long-gone who wrote (77181)	9/23/2001 1:32:11 PM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 116752

Don't forget the US did a lot of carpet bombing and defoliation of forests and spraying of Agent Orange and whatnot. That was WAR! And there were numerous sorties of jetfighters involved in dogfights and strafing enemy positions and plastering them with napalm etc. It should be noted that the US troops were less able to cope with the harsh and tough conditions in the fields and jungles of Vietnam than the Vietcong/Vietminh who were excellent guerillas. The enemy was also expert in tunnel warfare. A good number of soldiers and their commanders were regularly and quietly killed in their campbeds by Vietcong who tunnelled into their camps. And when the tunnels were located, the enemy had fled and US troops were held back by poisonous snakes, punji sticks and a variety of booby traps. Too many of the US fighters were spoilt kids or were unwilling soldiers, as Eric has said. What was most important of all was that the Vietcong/Vietminh fought with national fervour and conviction that the enemy must be kicked out. Of course, Soviet and Chinese aid helped a lot. Infra-red sensing devices failed to locate the enemy who hid and lived deep within caves and under the ground. Worse, the Viets that were supposedly on the US side often changed their allegiance all too quickly. Will US and/or allied forces have similar problems in Afghanistan? You bet! According to General Vo Van Giap (the general that ousted the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954), his Vietcong and Vietminh forces won the WAR. Of course, it's not surprising he said that.