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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (4383)	9/24/2001 1:57:38 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Jordan, or any other country is not going to give Israel an "out" by taking in the displaced Palestinian refugees or granting citizenship to them. That would set a precedent that Israel and the West would jump on. You're wrong. Jordan did grant citizenship to the Palestinians; it was, conspicuously, the only Arab country to do so. Jordan did so because it considered itself the same country, for good reason; the original Palestinian Mandate (the one refered to in the Balfour Declaration) included Jordan, until the British split it off and gave it to the Emir Abdullah in 1922. The other countries not only did not give the Palestinians citizenship, they didn't even give them work permits. Moreover, they also used UNWRA as a free welfare agency, dumping their own welfare cases into the camps. No one really knows how many refugees there are now. UNWRA says 3.7 million; the PA says 5 million. Even the UNWRA number is likely to be wildly inflated as there is a financial stipend associated with being on the list so refugees very rarely die, at least officially speaking. The host countries do not permit census-taking. BTW, did you know that in the '50s Iraq was so desperate for agricultural labor that they put out a call throughout the Arab world for laborers, saying they would give citizenship to anyone who came? Except for, you guessed it, Palestinians.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (4383)	9/24/2001 2:16:07 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

I didn't miss anything... The Jews weren't permitted to vote for Egyptian independence, now were they? Did they get a say in whether King Abdullah, a Hashemite Arab from Mecca, deserved to receive the entire east bank part of Trans-Jordan. And they certainly didn't have a say when Abdullah annexed the entire west bank into Jordan in 1948. So why the heck should the Israelis have worried about getting Arab approval to declare statehood?? Did the US have to obtain French or Spanish approval for us to declare our independence as a nation?? NO.... But did we have to fight and die to force that declaration to be accepted as a Fait Accompli by the Brits, French, and Spanish? Yes... Thus, the Iraelis declared statehood, and the Arabs had every choice not to attack, and accept that outcome as the Jews had been forced to accept the West Bank being handed over to the King Abdullah.. But they chose to attack... and attempt to utterly exterminate the Jews from Palestine (despite the fact that they had legitimately purchased the land in the Yishuv from the previous owners).. And the Arabs got their butts kicked in the process and LOST territory by right of conquest and self-defense. I don't have a right to your land unless you attack me from it. The minute that occurs, you have lost all right to ownership of it. Hawkmoon