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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (144072)	9/25/2001 5:38:17 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

RE: "cold and calculated demeanor in which the hijackers carried out their plans. In short, they came to this country with pure murder on their minds. Every American citizen" ----- Ten and Thread, Add to that list, a well-funded terrorist network, a charismatic leader with phenomenal leadership skills (i.e. how the heck is he able to motivate so many people from a far? Think about it, what CEO do you know that can organize and motivate thousands of people from all over the world without ever checking in with them, without a speech? I can't think of any CEO that could do that without the tool of consistent communications, yet this guy is able to do it, even though he lacks the tools our great leaders have. I find that scary. My concern is that he spawns more and more terrorists through some type of cookbook recipe he has at his terrorist camps. CNN (or WashingtonPost) had an article describing the almost-entrepreneur-like qualities of his network - aspects sounded just like a startup but many of them - he sounds like a business-minded guy with a formula for spawning terrorists. According to an article on CNN by a military strategist, his charisma - the ability to influence many people - is the most threatening aspect of him. I don't think we should underestimate him or his network, or the pervasiveness of his group. Regards, Amy J

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (144072)	9/25/2001 7:13:16 AM
From: John Walliker	Respond to of 186894

Tenchusatsu, I noticed that Dell are now advertising 1.2GHz Inspiron 8100 notebook PCs. Have they made a mistake or did I miss an announcement? commerce.euro.dell.com John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (144072)	9/25/2001 11:51:16 AM
From: tcmay	Respond to of 186894

"Jim and all, I just caught Dateline tonight, and only now am I beginning to fathom the cold and calculated demeanor in which the hijackers carried out their plans. In short, they came to this country with pure murder on their minds. Every American citizen they interacted with, from hotel clerks to flight school teachers to travel agents, must have appeared to them as potential sheep to the slaughter." Yes, they are extremists. Yes, they are warriors. Yes, they expected to kill Americans and to die themselves in the process. However, this is part of war. This has been in the past by many groups: even the U.S. and Allied Forces infiltrated agents into Europe to blow up dams, knowing that the villagers they came in contact with would likely be wiped out when the dam was blown. I'm not excusing or explaining away their actions, just noting that war has always been hell. I think your "cold and calculated demeanor" is right on, and there are more just like them still moving amongst us. The success (in technical terms) of the attack on the WTC has undoubtedly stiffened their resolve to do just as well in their own upcoming missions. --Tim May

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (144072)	9/25/2001 1:09:22 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tenchusatsu,<<<. The Taliban is indeed one of the most brutal fundamentalist regimes on this planet. I think it is reasonable to say that the Taliban believes exactly the opposite of what the average American believes in. >>> If they were smart enoguh to have a mission statement, that statement would include either killing or imprisoning all of us in the civilized (to them, modern) world. I know they are evil and they are dangerous, but, it is obvious they do not have the power to do more harm than they have already done all by themselves. They could add to the direct damage they do by getting us to do some of the work for them. And, that is to instill fear into us and have us imprison ourselves. You know, like hunker down, barricade ourselves in our basements, don't do the things that we ordinarily do as individuals. Fear, which I call a logical threat, could do far more damage than a physical threat. Don't let the indirect damage dwarf the direct damage. Mary

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (144072)	9/26/2001 9:26:33 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 186894

Ten, more thoughts on the topic... Very true post, but the bottom-line is, violence begets more violence. This country hasn't publicly answered the question, "how do you fight violence without spurring more violence through violence." To me, that is the most important question that needs to be answered. It's not as if our government hires psychologists for military services, when in fact, maybe they should. On this note, a CNN article described in detail the members involved in the attacks, which I feel potentially leads to an answer on how to combat violence through non-violent methodologies. The common denominator in their descriptions were: - they came from a poor area in Saudi Arabia (SA) that did not experience the boom as other SA areas did. - the people in that particular area are apparently oppressed, by apparently other areas in SA. (not sure how, but that's what the article said) - the terrorists had started to get distant with their family members, suddenly becoming increasingly religious in the past one year From this, one may wonder if violence may be combated on a long-term basis, with the following: - removal of oppression, enhancement of global teaching for tolerance - oppression begets violence, so remove oppression - create job stimulation for unemployed people so they aren't sucked into terrorism When people aren't oppressed and when job opportunities exist, there's a maximum potential for hope. Hope seems to be the key ingredient to avoid violence. Obviously, long-term solutions do not help with short-term realities. The FBI needs to aggressively locate those individuals involved and make the appropriate arrests. They also need to update their computer equipment. The technology certainly exists for them to track down the hijackers, terrorists that the CIA had informed the FBI about on August 23 prior to the attack, however, the technology isn't deployed, thus, not used. I rather like Ellison's idea. Also, I don't see how the FBI can even work effectively with 3 to 8 year old PCs. Regards, Amy J