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To: Gary Ng who wrote (53085)	9/25/2001 10:49:07 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 70976

Gary, Good question. It seems to me that McVeigh essentially acted alone with a few other folks in his act. But you are right those groups that support this should be dealt with too. In the WTC case we have thousands of conspirators and supporters and financers of this heinous act. But your point is well taken so please dont take my earlier advice and move to Afghanistan. Sorry . Mike

To: Gary Ng who wrote (53085)	9/25/2001 12:01:44 PM
From: Return to Sender	Respond to of 70976

Off Topic: >What I am trying to say is the I am seeing a strange pattern both in the US government's response, the media and to some extend the general American's view about this issue. For McVeigh, it seems that the general view is it was done by an individual and I don't see the kind of response I am seeing now which is against a whole group(classified by religion or nation) which have not yet been proved to be guilty. I tried to ask why and the only difference so far I can find is that McVeigh is an American. McVeigh's lawyer has been fighting till the last minute about his death sentence as that seems to be his constitutional right but Bush was already saying 'wanted dead or alive' for Laden. I hope I am wrong.< Gary, I agree with everything you say here except for one thing. There is no strange pattern of behavior or response here. It is entirely predictable. Our country is the most open minded and tolerant country on the face of the Earth. We are not however perfect. It most certainly is a nation where racial profiling and prejudices do exist. The actions perpetrated against our people and those of many cultures, races and religious beliefs in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon cannot go unpunished. Is it fair or equitable that we would treat bin Laden or other fanatical extremist terrorists different than an American citizen guilty of a similar crime. Of course not. But is neither strange nor unpredictable. In his address to the nation President Bush gave all nations on the face of the Earth fair warning. "You are either with us or with the Terrorists." I regret that our military forces will have to engage enemies who have not necessarily been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. More than that I regret that we will lose lives on both sides in a battle which never should take place. Even worse than that more innocent lives will be lost. We did not throw the first stone but I guarantee you we have got bigger rocks. Vietnam was a mistake. Battling terrorism and bin Laden with or without the kind of proof you would like to see is not. RtS

To: Gary Ng who wrote (53085)	9/25/2001 2:21:52 PM
From: Dale Knipschield	Respond to of 70976

Gary, >McVeigh's lawyer has been fighting till the last minute about his death sentence as that seems to be his constitutional right but Bush was already saying 'wanted dead or alive' for Laden. I hope I am wrong.< Perhaps you've forgotten that bin Laden was tied to, and is wanted for the bombing of the two embassies several years ago. Then, as now, most victims were innocent civilians. BTW, if normal war-time standards are assumed, these non-uniformed, civilian-targeting terrorists have surrendered their rights to due process. In wartime, swift execution (usually by firing squad) is the normal justice for spies, saboteurs, assassins and terrorists. My belief is that those people now in custody who can be positively linked to this monstrous act fit ALL of these categories, and, as such should be immediately executed. Their bodies should then then wrapped in pig skin and buried to preclude other terrorists' notions that they will achieve life everlasting. Of course, the American public doesn't have the stomach for this right now. It'll take a lot more slaughtered Americans before they do. Too bad for all of us. Knip