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To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (1452)9/26/2001 12:48:58 PM
From: Jerry in Omaha  Respond to of 281500
 
<IMAGINATION FAILURE ALERT>

A perfect example of smug "inside the box" thinking and a total waste of resources to boot. (Missilemen-think -- boy are these guys pulling out all the stops. What a lobbying effort!)

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A string of HALD jumpers (see my previous posting) could use the same technique the Air Force used in Iraq with its twenty foot thick concrete "bunker busters."

An airborne deployed free falling suicidal terrorist loaded with explosives is the most dangerous weapon currently on the planet. A nuke plant (or garden party) wouldn't stand a chance I don't care how thick the concrete booby dome is or whether or not it's a "no fly" zone.

A string of 12 HALD jumpers dropped, each following 20 seconds behind the other on the same trajectory and loaded to the max with C-4 is, short of perpetrator error, unstoppable and indefensible unless an intelligence product enables intervention before launch. Each successive detonation would penetrate deeper and spread greater radiation farther and wider.

The dude's already got the planes for training purposes!

nypost.com

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<< September 26, 2001 -- Osama bin Laden's henchmen tried to buy a multi-million dollar Boeing 727 six months before they hijacked commercial planes and slammed them into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, The Post has learned. "They got at least as far as kicking tires [in used-airplane lots] in Denver and Tucson," the source said...

...Probers believe they wanted the jet to hone their piloting skills and for possible use in an attack...

...Another view is that terrorists could try using a purchased or leased jet to sidestep airport security. "This could be the next step," said terrorism expert and author Tony Dennis. "It certainly would be one way to get around any heightened airline security. "What this also says is they have serious money," Dennis said...

...Buying a "mothballed" 727 or any plane is easy, if you have the money...

...Bin Laden, a multimillionaire, has access to several other planes, including an executive jet and a C-130 >>

Hey, great! A C-130. The same plane I used to jump and is the standard training platform for our own special ops HALO training. A 727 can be jumped too.

Getting a jump school started is cheap and simple. Witness the thousands of parachute jumping clubs around the country.

Since our sneaky petes open their highly maneuverable chutes at 250 feet they only have to free fall into a general location. Manuvering the parachute will enable a precision landing. For training the terrorists I would suggest using a kite for target practice. For incentive each terrorist could be awarded 10 extra post mission virgins if they can snatch a piece of the tail off that kite. 100 training jumps or so and you've got yourself a potent weapon.

<KNEEJERK REFLEX ALERT>

Protecting Civilization from the Faces of Terror:

A Primer on the Role Facial Recognition Technology Can Play in Enhancing Airport Security

Issued September 24,2001

In the wake of the September 11,2001 terrorist attacks on America,the security industry is tasked with delivering technologies that could be used to help prevent future terrorist activities. Society is asking for solutions that will foster an efficient and safe travel environment. Our best defenses rest in our ability — within the context of a free and open society — to prevent terrorists and other dangerous individuals from boarding planes in the first place. The events of September 11 call into review our entire airport security system and our attitude towards what societal controls are acceptable from a civil liberties perspective. The ease by which the terrorists had gained access to four planes on September 11, unhindered or challenged, points to fundamental weaknesses in airport security systems in the U.S.

Protecting our airports and preventing a repeat of the September 11 tragedy is a matter of national security. We believe this will require not only a drastic overhaul of the entire security infrastructure of airports, ports of entry and transportation centers in this country, but also around the world. International flights bound to the U.S.could be targets for hijacking and used much in the same way as flights originating and/or operating domestically.

Continued at:

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Why is this knee jerk? See #reply-16408584 and Frank Colluccio's response #reply-16408674

Jerry in Omaha



To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (1452)9/26/2001 3:58:31 PM
From: SirRealist  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
OT...Market analysis: Message 16418451



To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (1452)9/26/2001 4:10:59 PM
From: SirRealist  Respond to of 281500
 
Jerry: can I come out from under the bed now? Geeze, HALO & HALD are certainly scenarios I hadn't considered. I guess I'm not even thinking of air attacks any longer.

The methods used for years by these guys is car bombs. I imagine semi-truckbombs, and bigger payloads (as Bush says: Nucular) are harder to track or stop.

Crop dusters? Yeah, because they can point a gun at the head of little guys, despite them being grounded. They couldn't scramble fast enough to shoot down airliners, but it takes only 5 minutes from take-off for these small planes to deliver an awful greeting card. But still, the terrorists know these are being guarded more than before.

I'd think the first line of defense right now is in beefing up those truck weighing stations across America, with inspections galore and state troopers a wee bit better armed.



To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (1452)9/27/2001 1:02:19 PM
From: E  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Another interesting article, this one from the Financial Times, September 26.

The Economic Failure of Islam

COMMENT & ANALYSIS: The economic failure of Islam: Muslim animosity towards the west has its roots in an inability to respond effectively to centuries of financial progress
Financial Times; Sep 26, 2001

By MARTIN WOLF

Why do they hate us so much? Along with the shock, anger and grief comes this question. What makes men plan and execute an atrocity on the scale of September 11? To these questions, many offer two answers: their poverty and our policies. Poverty fuels desperation; our policies stoke humiliation. Desperation and humiliation breed terrorism. The answer is to end the poverty and change the policies.

In its naive form, this view is implausible. The people who carried through this attack are far from poor. Many originate in Saudi Arabia, a relatively wealthy oil state. Equally, the west can do little to assuage such enemies, short of disappearing from the region, if not from the world. Osama bin Laden and his associates wish to expunge the "crusader presence" from Islamic holy places and restore the golden age of Islamic supremacy. The aim is not peace with Israel, but its annihilation. By confirming the Israeli presence, a peace agreement could as well increase the risk of terrorist attacks on western targets as reduce it.

The humiliation and rage that spawn what President George W. Bush called terrorist groups "of a global reach" are real. But they are the result of a long-term historic failure, not of recent events. We are eating the fruit of three centuries of bitterness between a dominant west and an enfeebled Islamic world.

Western power and wealth have transformed or destroyed traditional patterns of life everywhere. Yet nowhere has the rise of the west - of which the US is the contemporary avatar and Israel a humiliating symbol - posed a bigger challenge than for the world of Islam, for two reasons.

First, for a thousand years the Islamic world thought itself more powerful, more economically advanced and more intellectually sophisticated than the Christendom with which it contended. Second, western ideas of democracy, liberalism, sexual equality and a law-governed state conflict with Islam's traditional practice.

In assessing the response to the western challenge, Anatole Lieven, a senior associate of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, judges that "with the exception of some of the oil-endowed Gulf states and - to a limited degree - Turkey and Malaysia, every single Muslim country has failed to enter the developed world".*

The position is grim. Last year, according to the World Bank, the average income in the advanced countries was Dollars 27,450 (Pounds 18,800) (at purchasing power parity), with the US on Dollars 34,260. Israel's income per head was Dollars 19,320. Against this, the average income of the historic belt of Islamic countries that stretches from Morocco to Bangladesh was Dollars 3,700. If one ignores the special case of the oil exporters, not one had incomes per head above the world average of Dollars 7,350.

Turn then to economic policy. According to World Audit's index of economic freedom, the highest ranks (out of 155 countries) in 2001 were 42nd, for Kuwait, and 48th, for Morocco. Most of the countries were ranked among the most restrictive in the world (that is, in the ranks above 100). Again, in the well-known Freedom House evaluation of political liberty, just five of these countries (Bangladesh, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco and Turkey) were judged even partly free. The rest were simply "not free". World Audit places six of these regimes (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Sudan) among the eight most politically repressive in the world.**

Western ideas of political organisation and economic policy have been resisted or rejected. The countries of the Islamic belt are not just poor, but are falling behind other developing countries. In 1950, Egypt and South Korea had much the same standard of living. Today, South Korea's is almost five times as high. Remarkably, India's standard of living is now almost half as high again as Pakistan's.

The failure of the core countries of the Islamic world to match the industrial revolution is not surprising. Apart from the political, social and ideological differences from the west, they lacked fast-running water, coal and iron. Then western imperialism entered the region, depriving it of the capacity for an autonomous response. The last half century has been a different matter. If one puts to one side the special case of Turkey, the principal attempts at modernisation were made by socialist regimes, all of which have failed. Now the region lives with the consequences of that failure in a resurgent fundamentalism and the often repressive reaction of western-supported regimes.

In the words of Bernard Lewis, historian of the Islamic world, "Ultimately, the struggle of the fundamentalists is against two enemies, secularism and modernism. The war against secularism is conscious and explicit . . . The war against modernity is for the most part neither conscious nor explicit, and is directed against the whole process of change that has taken place in the Islamic world in the past century or more."***

The desire for return to a pure form of religion is not new. But the call to a purified faith has wider appeal today than before. Everywhere in the developing world, people must respond to the intrusive impact of the ideas and the prosperity of the western world, in general, and of the US, in particular. But religion makes a difference to the nature of that response. A universal religion with all-embracing political and social claims offers a lens on the world different from that available to a Chinese or a Hindu. Most fundamentalists are in no way terrorists, far from it. But they can offer a reason to die - or to kill.

Western policymakers face harsh realities. They can try to make their countries safer. They can act directly against the terrorist threat. They should try to cajole Israel into a peace acceptable to the Palestinians, though that would not end terrorism by those who believe the Jewish state should disappear. They can also encourage political and economic liberalisation among their clients. But the west cannot make the region rich or politically stable. It cannot secure an accommodation between the traditions of Islam and the demands of the modern world. All it can do is the best it can with the world that there is - and endure.

globalarchive.ft.com



To: Jerry in Omaha who wrote (1452)11/7/2001 5:06:53 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Jerry,

Re: <<Hitchens sure blistered his critics.>> Hell, those were his friends!

Hitchens was on the Charlie Rose Show on PBS for a fascinating half hour last night. He was quite impressive in his presentation of the contrarian's viewpoint. First of all, like me, he's supporting our war against what he stessed was "theocratic facsists". He says that terrorist is a word that has been so overused and widely applied as to be almost meaningless. But theocratic fascist very well describes the medievalist, malignant and maladaptive views held by the al Qaeda cult and their backers throughout the Islamic world. Hitchens insisted, I think rightly, that our propaganda effort really needs to stress this is an evil, lunatic crackpot fringe. Otherwise, we are at risk of losing the hearts and minds of millions of young Islamists who are vulnerable to the smooth PR spin of Bin Laden.

Hitchens continues to take umbrage with his ilk, the lamentably lost left. In particular, he spared no venom for Chomsky. Correctly so, in my opinion. He found Chomsky's comparison of 9/11 to the U.S. missile attack on the Sudanese pharmaceutical plant to be doctrinaire and deplorable. Again, I agree. There's no comparison in the level of inhumanity in these two acts.

Anahoo, I'm into taboo topic territory, but I did want to update and indicate that some of us on the left have a clue. Somedays.

Best, Ray