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To: fyodor_ who wrote (56471)	9/26/2001 11:24:13 AM
From: andreas_wonisch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Fyo, Re: There are also a variety of games where the P4 is faster - and not only Quake3 ;-). Speaking of "Quake 3" (this is completely unrelated to your original discussion with Constantine): An Athlon XP 1.53 GHz will be probably faster in "Quake III" than a 2 GHz Pentium 4! Just have a look at Anand's nForce article: anandtech.com So in "Quake III" a 1.4 GHz Thunderbird scores 223.6fps when equipped with a KT266A motherboard. Now let's have a look how much faster a Palomino is clock-for-clock in Quake 3 on a KT266A motherboard: anandtech.com It's 5.75%. So we can expect a 1.4 GHz Palomino to reach about 223.6fps * 1.0575 = 236.46 fps. Let's see how this compares to a 2 GHz Pentium 4 on a i850 motherboard with dual channel Rambus memory: anandtech.com That's 240.5 fps, only 1.7% faster than a hypothetical 1.4 GHz Palomino. So a 1.53 Ghz Athlon XP will easily beat the 2 GHz P4. Astonishing, isn't it? (of course it won't help AMD at all in selling their processors) Andreas

To: fyodor_ who wrote (56471)	9/26/2001 12:24:59 PM
From: jcholewa	Respond to of 275872

> I do think that, overall, the 2GHz P4 edges out > the 1.4GHz Athlon (and the 1.2GHz AthlonMP… or > would this be a model 1400+?) I would tend to agree, though I think that the performance boost on the Tbird-1.40 from the KT266A, nForce, and possibly the more recent ALi MAGik revisions (the benches done by Chris Tom were apparently a bit old, and there is a higher performing revision, according to my buds) make it real close and perhaps even questionable. My mind is not yet made up on the Palomino or the Northwood. -JC

To: fyodor_ who wrote (56471)	9/26/2001 12:47:11 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Fyo, Re: "non-optimized FPU-intensive apps (and, let's face it, 99% of apps are non-optimized) the P4 is fairly weak." I know we've been over this before, but it sounds awfully daunting when you say that Intel is 99% unfinished in optimizing applications for Pentium 4. But when you consider that 80% of the user base for these apps use 5% of the available software, then it's easy to cater to the majority of users by only optimizing the top 5% of the popular applications. More applications are receiving optimizations all the time. wanna_bmw