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To: epsteinbd who wrote (4792)9/26/2001 5:07:11 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
Epstein... everyone can do their part... whether it be donating time and money to the Red Cross, or just making sure that Evil Emile doesn't get away with his ridiculous Aryan Nation's tripe.

I'm not Jewish.. and I fully understand that Israel's greatest interest is it's own survival as a state.

And I have no delusions that Sharon or Netanyahu would sell us down the river in a heartbeat, if it would guarantee them peace.

Everyone's playing their own political game here, either to avoid getting caught in the middle of this mess, or to profit by it. And they will continue to play their games as they want, within the bounds of America's justified outrage and expression of diplomatic and military power.

Bush said it plainly... either you're on our side, or you're on the side of the terrorists... Oppose us, for any reason, from obtaining justice, and you will find yourself in a place few will envy..

If you're worried about your entire world crashing down around you by events gone mad, making you vulnerable to all sorts of unforseen consequences or unleashed forces, whose side would you be on??

It ain't gonna be the Taliban, or the Pakistanis.

There's just a point where "being civilized" doesn't cut it, and you have to operate by the same brutal law of the jungle that the rest of the non-democratic world lives by.

That's the same jungle where no one provides "due process" before putting a bullet in your head... Where justice is created by force, and not requested in some non-existent courtroom.

I really like having America compared to a sleeping elephant that occasionally swats at the flies swirling around it, trying to get a free meal at our expense. And I like the trembling fear the world displays when they suddenly realize that the great beast has been rousted ready to charge...

Don't wake the sleeping elephant (or dragon regarding China)

Yamamoto knew it... Churchill knew it... and if we don't get the rest of the world to fall in line on this issue about dismantleling these criminal terrorist networks, they're going to get a chance to "know it"..

Hawkmoon



To: epsteinbd who wrote (4792)9/26/2001 5:20:24 PM
From: Ben Wa  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23908
 
News you won't see on CNN or BBC

> >>MIDEAST DISPATCH
> >>Whooping It Up In Beirut
> >>BY ELISABETTA BURBA
> >>Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:01 a.m
> >>.
> >>BEIRUT--Where were you on Sept. 11, when terrorists changed the
> >>world? I was at the National Museum here, enjoying the wonders of the
> >>ancient Phoenicians with my husband. This tour of past splendor only
> >>magnified the shock I received later when I heard the news and saw
> >>the reactions all around me. Walking downtown, I realized that the
> >>offspring of this great civilization were celebrating a terrorist
> >>outrage. And I am not talking about destitute people. Those who were
> >>cheering belonged to the elite of the Paris of Middle East:
> >>professionals wearing double-breasted suits, charming blond ladies,
> >>pretty teenagers in tailored jeans.
> >>Trying to find our bearings, my husband and I went into an
> >>American-style cafe in the Hamra district, near Rue Verdun, rated as
> >>one of the most expensive shopping streets in the world. Here the
> >>cognitive dissonance was immediate, and direct. The café's
> >>sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and
> >>making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody
> >>looked shocked, or moved. They were excited, very excited.
> >>An hour later, at a little market near the U.S. Embassy, on the
> >>outskirts of Beirut, a thrilled shop assistant showed us, using his
> >>hands, how the plane had crashed into the twin towers. He, too, was
> >>laughing.
> >>Once back at the house where we were staying, we started scanning the
> >>international channels. Soon came reports of Palestinians
> >>celebrating. The BBC reporter in Jerusalem said it was only a tiny
> >>minority. Astonished, we asked some moderate Arabs if that was the
> >>case. "Nonsense," said one, speaking for many. "Ninety percent of the
> >>Arab world believes that Americans got what they deserved."
> >>An exaggeration? Rather an understatement. A couple of days later, we
> >>headed north to Tripoli, near the Syrian border. On the way, we read
> >>that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who donated blood in front of
> >>the cameras, was rejecting any suggestion that his people were
> >>rejoicing over the terrorist attack. "It was less than 10 children in
> >>Jerusalem," he said.
> >>In the bustling souk of Tripoli we started looking for the Great
> >>Mosque, a 1294 building with a distinctive Lombard-style tower. But
> >>in that labyrinth, nobody spoke anything but Arabic, which we don't
> >>speak. Finally, in a dark shop, we found an old gentleman who knew
> >>French. His round white cap showed that he was a devout Muslim.
> >>Leaning on his stick, he managed to get on the street and with most
> >>exquisite manners gave us directions. Common decency survives all.
> >>Once at the mosque I donned a black chador, but our Lonely Planet
> >>guide attracted the attention of a hard-looking bearded guy all the
> >>same. "Are you Americans?" he asked in a menacing tone. Our quick
> >>denial made him relax. He gave us the green light to go in. But very
> >>soon afterward we were again approached, by a fat young man. He
> >>turned out to be one of the 350,000 Palestinians who live in Lebanon,
> >>unwelcome by most of the population and subject to severe hardships.
> >>Hearing we were Italians, first he recited like a prayer names of
> >>Italian soccer players. We were relieved at first that he wanted to
> >>talk about sports, but he soon moved on to politics and the "events."
> >>"My people have been crushed under the heel of American imperialism,
> >>which took away our land, massacred our beloved and denied our right
> >>to life. But have you seen what happened in New York City? God
> >>Almighty has drawn his sword against our enemies. God is great--Allah
> >>u Akbar," he said.
> >>I heard these appeals to religion so often that I needed some
> >>theological help. "How can God do evil?" I later asked an Arab
> >>friend, a businessman with an international background. "According to
> >>what I learnt in my catechism, God lets evil happen. He doesn't do
> >>it," I said, and he answered: "The Koran has the same teaching, but
> >>blood calls for blood."
> >>I couldn't help it. I kept remembering how a day earlier, in Germany,
> >>Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder had talked about clash of civilizations.
> >>On Thursday night, in the Christian northern part of Beirut, we heard
> >>some loud noises. "Probably they are celebrating the attacks,"
> >>someone told us when we asked.
> >>You mean the Maronite Christians are also celebrating? I asked.
> >>"Yes, they also feel betrayed by the Americans."
> >>On Friday, the national day of remembrance for the victims in Europe
> >>and the U.S., I was relieved to see that the Christian church in the
> >>Sahet Aukar district was packed with people holding a candlelight
> >>vigil. Less comforting was the thick barrier of soldiers and
> >>checkpoints that protected the church.
> >>Heliopolis, in the Bekaa Valley, was the Sun City of the ancients.
> >>Nowadays it is called Baalbek. Near its lavish temples stands the
> >>stronghold of the Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Shiite Party of God.
> >>Along the clean alleys that lead to the Hezbolla's stronghold there
> >>are hand-made posters of bearded young men. "They are martyrs,"
> >>explained a well-dressed, cultivated Arab man who had just gotten out
> >>of his Mercedes. "They fought until victory: the withdrawal of
> >>Israeli occupants. So they became a model for the all Arab world."
> >>Weren't they terrorists? we asked.
> >>"Terrorists? What about the Israelis who kill women and babies?"
> >>In the seven days we spent in Lebanon, we saw one young Arab woman
> >>with teary eyes. "The stories of the victims touched me," she said,
> >>and I began to regain my trust in humanity. Then she added: "But in a
> >>way I am also glad, because for once the Americans are experiencing
> >>what we in the Middle East go through every single day."
> >>Back in Italy, I received a phone call from my friend Gilberto
> >>Bazoli, a journalist in Cremona. He told me he witnessed the same
> >>reactions among Muslims in the local mosque of that small Lombard
> >>city. "They were all on Osama bin Laden's side," he said. "One of
> >>them told me that they were not even worthy to kiss his toes."
> >>Ms. Burba is an Italian journalist.
> >>Copyright © 2001 Dow Jones & Company, Inc