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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (29783)	9/27/2001 7:29:16 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

indifference to shared humanity. Our finest moments, at least those moments that are shared in common via stories and legends are about slaughtering one and other. A good majority of advances in science and technology have been dedicated to getting the other guy. It would be a shame if we stopped now due to a lack of resolve. bulfinch.org

To: Lane3 who wrote (29783)	9/27/2001 8:04:03 AM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Good morning Karen: I couldn't get on at all last night, kept getting server errors. From the looks of the posts here, most people had the same problem. About this line you wrote to Greg: Whether or not there is an afterlife, we all have a lifetime on this earth during which we can apply ourselves to getting along with each other--or not. Lately, it seems to me that you are expressing indifference to shared humanity. I think you said this very well, so well, I don't see the need for me to continue with Greg at all on the topic, as it expresses, quietly and elegantly, what I spent hours trying to say yesterday. So, thanks.

To: Lane3 who wrote (29783)	9/27/2001 11:31:24 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Morning Karen. First, let me say how disappointed I was with your characterization of me in your earlier post. It was inaccurate and frankly, insulting. Gould's whole life and career, has been devoted to attacking Christianity by way of espousing a theory, that if it is true, in fact destroys the very basis of what makes Humanity special. So here is this guy, using words that belong in a seminary, and all I did was point that out. Of particular interest to me was the use of the word "Sublime", since it was the focus of the C.S Lewis chapter titled "Men Without Chests". I earlier posted an article about that, I guess you didn't read it. Perhaps it would provide some context. Message 16278333 ests This is an excerpt from the book itself with a small commentary from Ravi Zacharias. You could easily substitute Gould for the two authors, only he then turns around and uses the word "Sublime" himself. "I shall call it The Green Book [and] I shall rename [it's authors] Gaius and Titius. These authors were trying to teach children how to think about ethical choices, and one of the illustrations Gaius and Titius give [is the] illustration where two young boys are standing in front of a waterfall...The second boy just [gazes] at it with a sense of awe within him, reflecting on the grandeur of how God had made this wonderful universe, he looks at the waterfall, and he says, ‘This waterfall is sublime.' There is such a sense of awe that it invokes within me as I stand back and see how marvelous such a piece of creation is.' Gaius and Titius go to great lengths to point out that the young lad who described the waterfall as sublime was wrong-headed. And they go on to point out why, the reason being this: there is no such thing as sublimity out there. There is no such thing as sacredness out there. There is no such thing as an absolute that ought to invoke an "awe" within us out there. This boy had to be re-trained, for his training had taken him in a wrong-headed direction. Those feelings of sublimity were [merely] glandular [and] generated some sense of appreciation, which he ought not to describe as sublime, not as something awe-inspiring, not as some work of a transcendent being." Lewis latched onto this. He said, "The frightful thing about Gaius and Titius is that they are telling me mathematics is real; therefore, my brain is real. Food is real; therefore, my stomach is real. But the absolute moral order is not real. It is purely within me." Says Lewis, "If I take these men in their arguments, they will produce a generation of men with brains, men with stomachs, men with no heart, men without chests." As far as poet goes she responded to me, not with ideas, but with hateful, and vindictive attacks on my personal character. You now, have bordered on the same. All I can say is I expected better of you. Poet has been completely non responsive to me, as far as any substantive interaction, perhaps I have reacted badly to having my character and motives assassinated, I don't know.